1026R - shuts down in reverse with blower engaged

Jtschnel · Dec 9, 2013

Last night I had the opportunity to use my 1026R with a 47" snowblower. On parts of my drive I have to do a lot of short blows, backing up multiple times for the next short swath.

Last year, with my X485 and blower, when I pushed the reverse pedal the blower/pto stopped. As I was backing up I pushed the pto switch down and as soon as I started forward for the next swath I engaged the pto. Was a pain, but it got to where I could do it smoothly and quickly.

This year, with the 1026R when I did the same area, the response of the machine was different. When I got to the end of a short swath blowing and hit the reverse pedal the motor quit, not just the pto but the engine itself. If I took my foot off of the reverse pedal for an instant before the engine actually spooled down, it engaged and kept running. At that point in time I could push the reverse pedal again and move backward. At this point the pto had disengaged although the switch was still up in the on position. While backing up I pushed the pto switch down and as soon as I started forward again I pulled the pto switch up to engage the blower again.

I have a couple of questions:

1) has anyone else had the same issue of the engine cutting out with pto engaged and pushing the reverse pedal?

2) while blowing I generally run the machine at more than 2000 rpm, generally 2500 to 3000 rpm without slowing the engine rpm. How bad is this on the system engaging the pto at that speed?

3) I understand the safety aspect reasoning of shutting the pto off when going in reverse (although not cutting the engine) but I would rather have the pto stay engaged in reverse when I blowing and I suspect it would be easier on the machine. Has anyone gotten around this pto disengagement system?

Appreciate any feedback.

Jim

buckshot721 · Dec 9, 2013

Your x485 pto switch needed to be pulled up when backing up to keep it engaged.

murphy1244 · Dec 9, 2013

That can get real old real fast.

RLstangs · Dec 10, 2013

Read your operators manual. It tells you how to back up with the PTO on.
Using Reverse Implement Option (RIO)
c CAUTION: Avoid injury! Rotating blades are dangerous. Children or bystanders may be injured by runover and rotating blades.

Before backing up, carefully check the area around the machine.

NOTE: Backing up while mower is engaged is strongly discouraged. The Reverse Implement Option should be used only when operating another attachment or when operator deems it necessary to reposition machine with mower engaged.

1. Stop machine forward travel with attachment engaged.

2. Look behind machine to be sure there are no bystanders.

NOTE: If attachment stops while repositioning machine, return PTO/RIO switch to off position. Begin again with Step 2 in procedure.

MX46285, MX46199a

3. Lift PTO/RIO switch (A) up past the PTO engagement position to activate the reverse implement option. Then depress reverse travel pedal.

4. As machine begins to move backward, release PTO/RIO switch and reposition machine.

5. Resume forward travel. The attachment should continue operating.

6. Repeat Steps 1 through 5 to reposition machine again.

kennyd · Dec 10, 2013

There should be a sensor on the front quick hitch to disable the RIO when it's mounted. See your dealer...

Jtschnel · Dec 12, 2013

Thanks for the input folks. I did some work today and was able to keep the the pto engaged as long as I pulled up the pto switch on the dash before pushing the reverse pedal. One started backwards with the pto running I could let go of the switch and it would stay engaged. Just like it was designed, I suspect! ;-)

Concerning the sensor on the quick hitch, I'm going to contact the dealer about that as I don't see any wiring or sensor located on the quick hitch. Wish I would have gotten back and read your replies earlier as I had them deliver a rotary brush to me today and could have asked the technician when he was here.

Again, many thanks!

RalphVa · Dec 12, 2013

You'll also find it's tricked up if you want to use the rear PTO with no one in the seat. 1. have to have the parking brake on. 2. Must be in "rear" PTO position. 3. range selector must, of course, be in N. Then, you can finally pull up the PTO switch without killing the engine. Kind of a pain, but sounds as though using the mid PTO in reverse is more of a pill.

Ralph

Jtschnel · Dec 12, 2013

kennyd said:
There should be a sensor on the front quick hitch to disable the RIO when it's mounted. See your dealer...

I forwarded this thread to my dealer last night. Today the service manager called and is coming to look at it tomorrow. He also apologized as it was his impression the service personnel had checked it.

So it looks like not only am I learning a lot from you folks, I'll also get the tractor to operate as I'd hoped .. and as it turns out, as it was actually designed.

It also points out to me that considering some of the stories I've read here, I am one of those who is fortunate enough to have a very good relationship with a very responsive dealer here in SW WI.

Again, thanks to all for sharing your knowledge.

kennyd · Dec 12, 2013

So JT, what is your serial number? This diagram is for 210001 - 310000, that should be the ones that have the RIO (including the 1025r's) as they first ones did not have it.

Here is the proper front PTO kit that had the sensor I mentioned (I mis-spoke when I said it was the hitch, sorry)

Front PTO (210001 - 310000)
Cart key PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
1 03M7191 Bolt 6 M10 X 25
2 LVA18329 Universal Joint With Shaft 1 Front PTO CV
3 E10018 Pressed Flanged Housing 4
4 JD9313 Ball Bearing 2
5 14M7517 Lock Nut 6 M10
6 LVU24529 Bracket 1 Hall Effect Sensor Support
7 LVA17409 Sensor 1 Hall Effect (Omni Directional)
8 19M7923 Cap Screw 1 M6 X 12
9 14M7528 Lock Nut 1 M6
10 LVA18264 Wiring Harness 1
Cart key PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
11 R105388 Tie Band 2
12 BLV10051 Power-Takeoff 1 NLA; ORDER BLV10166
BLV10166 Adapter Kit

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My bet is you have this front PTO without the sensor, and your serial number falls in the range I posted above: