2013 Tundra oil change interval

[Diamondpilot]

The filter cartridge is cheaper to produce (no metal shell) and (theoretically, in the ones I have seen) lets you have a bigger filter area than the usual spin on filter. Aaron Z

That and easier on the landfills. GM, Ford, BMW, Subaru, and many others are using cartridge type also.

Chris

 

[Rod in Forfar]

"I would change the oil at 5,000 and 15,000 miles on my dime, and let them do it at 10,000 along with their tire rotation."

That's what the previous owner of my '02 Tacoma did. The 7500 mile service was at the dealer, but he used a local oil changer at the 3750 intervals with 5W20. The engine's still in fine shape with no oil consumption.

 

[crazyal]

I have not owned a Toyota product in many years, and the chance of me ever doing so again is somewhere between slim and none but even for them this seems to be a quantum leap backwards. Spin-on oil filters have been around for how long? 50 years? They work, they're (usually) easy to change. Is there a reason for going with something like this other than to discourage DIY oil changing? Maybe other automakers do this too, but this is the first I've heard of it.

As far as oil change intervals go, I read somewhere once that the ever-increasing intervals were more marketing oneupmanship than anything else...if manufacturer A sets their interval at 5000 mi, manufacturer B will specify 6000 to give the impression their cars are lower maintenance. While I'm sure improved alloys and manufacturing tolerances can result in longer intervals, oil and filters are cheap enough that it's not going to break the bank. Didn't Toyota "fix" their oil sludging problem by shortening the recommended oil change intervals?



Yikes! Lotsa luck getting them out of an aluminum head!

Actually a cartridge type filters are a quantum leap forward. The dinosaur spin on canister filters have both check valve and bypass valves built into most of them. Both valves can do a lot of damage if they don't work correctly. So you get the filter material, the metal housing, the metal bottom that's threaded, a seal, and both valves for less than $10. How much quality are you getting? By going to a cartridge both valves are now the mfg can spend more money on much better quality parts. In 10 years I doubt there will be a car sold that still uses the old metal canister filter.

 

[Spindifferent]

I called the dealer today as we are nearing the 5k mile mark to schedule the 1st oil change. Since it has 24mo/24k mile free maintenance, I figured I would take advantage of it. The service writer told me I am only due for a tire rotate, oil change intervals are 10k miles and 5k on severe duty schedule. This is also in the manual. I am wondering if this interval increased when they offered the free maint program. The truck, per the svc writer, has 0-20w synthetic, allowing for the 10k mile change interval. Hmmmm....thoughts?

OCI discussions go on forever and a day. In my mind, it comes down to doing whatever you are comfortable with, given how you use your tractor/truck/car/motorcycle/lawn mower/chainsaw/anything with oil.

 

[deerefan]

OCI discussions go on forever and a day. In my mind, it comes down to doing whatever you are comfortable with, given how you use your tractor/truck/car/motorcycle/lawn mower/chainsaw/anything with oil.

I agree. However, this is the first Toyota I have owned and the 10k mile oci surprised me. I wanted to have other Toyota owners offer their experiences. I used to go 7500 on my diesel F250, 5k with dino on gas engines. I may find a place nearby that does uoa and do one at 7k miles just to see. Toyota told me the 0-20w in my Tundra is full syn, easing my mind some.

 

[DarkBlack]

Actually a cartridge type filters are a quantum leap forward. The dinosaur spin on canister filters have both check valve and bypass valves built into most of them. Both valves can do a lot of damage if they don't work correctly. So you get the filter material, the metal housing, the metal bottom that's threaded, a seal, and both valves for less than $10. How much quality are you getting? By going to a cartridge both valves are now the mfg can spend more money on much better quality parts. In 10 years I doubt there will be a car sold that still uses the old metal canister filter.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. You wrote as if engine maker's were quality constrained by spin on filter companies. Not true at all.
Engine makers are "in the drivers seat" to build an over pressure relief and/or anti-drain back valve in their engine if they want to. It's totally up to them to spec a filter with or without those features. They can also spec whatever requirement they want and let the filter companies bid on it.
I had a vehicle with the pressure bypass built in, so the spec'd filters without it. The engine had a known history of the bypass not being reliable.
At least with a filter you can screw on a new one if there's a problem.

 

[Spindifferent]

I agree. However, this is the first Toyota I have owned and the 10k mile oci surprised me. I wanted to have other Toyota owners offer their experiences. I used to go 7500 on my diesel F250, 5k with dino on gas engines. I may find a place nearby that does uoa and do one at 7k miles just to see. Toyota told me the 0-20w in my Tundra is full syn, easing my mind some.

It can be confusing, for sure. I own a Prius that uses synthetic, and I go with a 10k OCI on it, per Toyota. I also own a Tacoma that uses conventional, and I go with a 5k OCI, also per Toyota.

Here's some info from Toyota:

Toyota Owners - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

What are the oil change intervals using synthetic oil?
Only Toyota vehicles in which 0w-20 synthetic oil is required (except for the 2TR-FE & 3UR-FBE Engines*) have been approved for extended oil change intervals of 10,000-miles/12-months. (However, you should continue to check the oil level regularly and top off if needed. That will help your engine get the full benefit of synthetic oil.)
Vehicles in which 0w-20 is an option to 5w-20 mineral oil, (or 5w-30), will continue to require 5,000-mile/6-month oil change intervals, even if 0w-20 oil is used.
In the case of vehicles with 10,000 mile oil change intervals, the 5,000 mile service interval has not been eliminated. The traditional 5,000 mile maintenance procedures (such as tire rotation) will continue to be required, and the fluid levels (such as brake fluid) will need to be checked and adjusted at this time.
If the vehicle operation meets the standard criteria for "Special Operating Conditions" such as: driving off-road, on dirt roads, towing a trailer, making repeated short trips under 32˚ F, or extensive idling; the engine oil must be replaced at 5,000 mile intervals, regardless of what type of oil is used.
*The 2TR-FE (4Runner / Tacoma) and the 3UR-FBE (Flex Fuel Tundra / Sequoia) are the exceptions to this new change interval program; these engines have not been approved for the 10,000 mile interval at this time. A 5,000-mile/6-month oil change interval is still required for these vehicles. Also, the Flex Fuel 3UR-FBE requires a 2,500 mile interval when operated on E85.

 

[kenmac]

Amsoil has a number if synthetic oils they claim as being capable of 25k miles.....again, an oil comany who has a vested interest in selling you more oil.

AMSOIL 25,000 Mile Oil Change

Dude, do some more checking. I run this stuff in my vehicles. I know for a fact I can't get 25 k drains out of this oil. My Mazda will only go 8k B-4 the oil is wiped out. 3.5 quarts with filter. Oil is still good but TBN is gone. You may want to run an oil with 0 TBN ,but I don't. As for your UAO, I suspect, someone didn't read it correctly and didn't change the oil when they were suppose to.

Do as you please. You paid for the vehicles. Not me

 

[GManBart]

Dude, do some more checking. I run this stuff in my vehicles. I know for a fact I can't get 25 k drains out of this oil. My Mazda will only go 8k B-4 the oil is wiped out. 3.5 quarts with filter. Oil is still good but TBN is gone. You may want to run an oil with 0 TBN ,but I don't. As for your UAO, I suspect, someone didn't read it correctly and didn't change the oil when they were suppose to.

Do as you please. You paid for the vehicles. Not me

I didn't claim to have proof the Amsoil will go 25k, but they do claim that they can go as high as 25k, under certain conditions. Regardless, it would be stupid of them to claim that if it's completely false, because they could be, you know, selling you more oil....kind if what they're in business to do.

Maybe the small sump quantity is part of the problem with your Mazda, maybe you're sing it under severe conditions....nobody knows that but you. I don't even put 10k a year on my Tundra, almost all of it on long trips, so it gets changed sooner than it probably needs to....and I've run full synthetic in it since the first service. I'm sure it will be fine when I eventually sell it.

Actually, the UAO, was really a series of them, over time, with scheduled maintenance performed very meticulously. There were no problems noted, and the UAO before the failure looked the same as all of them previously. One UAO by itself actually doesn't show much, unless things are seriously bad, which is why they were started from service #1 with that engine. In fact, this happened twice to the same vehicle....and it was two different complete overhauls, both shortly following normal UAOs.

UAOs show sone things, sometimes, but they aren't nearly as definitive as you're suggesting.

 

[kenmac]

I can't get 25 K out of my wife's cobalt . Around 10,500 is max.. I have no idea what you expect a UOA to tell you but, there are different levels of testing the oil. You just have to pay more. You say UOA'S are not as good as I'm suggesting but, over the road trucks use it to monitor the oil, engine, etc, condition.... Most if not all Cat. dealerships use if to prevent engine failure and let them know what's going on in a high dollar engine / equipment. Cat. will adjust their oil formulations based on UOA'S. So, UOA's aren't some quack testing with little to no value as you seem to be suggesting. If it were, Cat., truckers, trucking companies, Commercial Farmers ,Etc,Etc, wouldn't waste their money on such nonsense