Timber Frame Hybrid Home - Owner Builder

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Great thread and very impressive work. My wife and I have discovered this thread and read it with particular interest. We are currently in the process of looking at timber frame for a house we hope to build this year (or at least get it started!) up here in Iowa.

I'm curious about your research into timber framers. How many did you look at before choosing to go with Clydesdale? Obviously, they do top notch (pun not intended) work based on the great documentation you've put together in this thread.

One concern we have is finding a general contractor that can navigate the idiosyncrasies of a hybrid timber frame. You mentioned one of those issues regarding insulating before wall sheeting. Do you have any advice on this regard? The builders we've interviewed to date have not done a timber frame build, and I'm very leery of having them 'get up the learning curve' on my dime.

I'm open to PM if this isn't something you want to share with the world.

Thanks,

Rick

Rick - as far as looking into timberframers, Clydesdale Frames was the first and to be honest only framer we looked at very seriously. I found them online and after seeing they were somewhat local went to visit them. Chris and John were fantastic to work with and took the time to show us or provide contacts for as many homes as we wanted to see. The homeowners helped seal the deal. We looked at six homes total that had Clydesdale frames over a two month period and every homeowner we spoke with said they would use our framer again if they had the opportunity. We did speak to one other timberframer and had them ballpark a price for our frame since I had no idea what was reasonable with a timber frame. They came back very similar in price.

As far as general contractors I don't have a lot of advise since we didn't research GC's and worked as our own. I have pretty much lived onsite since we broke ground. There hasn't been a single day I haven't been there at least to check in, with most days spending a great deal of time either checking on work or doing what work I can do on my own. I guess the main thing I could advise would be to know your plan inside and out and think about 3-4 steps ahead of the process as you go. Our framer was also a GC who builds some pretty high end houses. This was also his second timberframe. Even with that said we would have had major problems if I had not been onsite leading the build. When we get close to finalizing the build I'll take the time to detail some the issues and challenges as we progressed through the build.

Insulation turned out to be a non-issue. I had concerns about insulating some of the harder to reach areas behind the timbers. In the end there are a few places I insulated before sheathing but for the most part we are able to take care of most of it with spray foam. Let me know if you have other questions.


Cool - like the pic with snow(you have a bit more than we do)
Be sure to inspect the foam to sheathing adherence - sometimes a cold surface does not lead to a good bond
I expect your foam contractor understands this - but it is your house;)

also are you filling the cavity or something short? Best if cavity is full, but not protruding - closed cell is difficult to level and your sheetrock guys won't do a very good (careful?) job if they are left to take care of it (experience speaking here)

Wall and ceiling cavity will be mostly filled on the first and second floor. Only 2" on the basement walls. This will leave room for running electric if we finish it out later.

Here's a few pics. First one is the monster in the attic. lol. At least that's kind of what my kids think it looks like. All of the duct work crammed into what little attic space we have and snaking out to the rooms on the south end of the house. All pipe is rigid with the exception of the flex duct for bathroom fans. The HVAC guys taped or doped all seams at every connection and looks like they did a top notch job.




Spray foam in the basement is done and moving to the upstairs today.



I finished up soffits in the bedroom last week. The raised area will get toungue and groove. Soffits will get sheet rock. I've also got some timbers that will span the soffit north to south.




We fired up some of the track lighting for the ceiling of the living room and loft. Just waiting on a couple more sections of track to add to the corners of the living room and loft to finish it up. We've got a couple of home runs left to pull but other than that I'm just about done wiring.






Sheetrock will be delivered on Wed. The crew will start hanging on Thursday of next week. Cabinets are scheduled the first week of Feb.
 
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That ceiling looks INCREDIBLE!!!! WOW!!!!!

Eddie
 
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Sheetrock will be delivered on Wed. The crew will start hanging on Thursday of next week. Cabinets are scheduled the first week of Feb.[/QUOTE]

everything is looking great! I found it to be a very hectic time in the phase you are it but also very satisfying as the rooms started to take shape and "results" could be seen from all the effort put in getting there.

Did you have Clydesdale back notch your Timbers for the sheetrock? If so be sure you have a very detailed conversation with the rockers about how to use these and how to finish off around them (my conversation was not good enough and as the frame has shrunk I am now adding small trim to fill gap - you may find this to be a good idea anyway) We used tearaway edging against the timbers that did not have the notch and this provided a very clean edge to the sheetrock and subsequent paint.
 
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Sheetrock will be delivered on Wed. The crew will start hanging on Thursday of next week. Cabinets are scheduled the first week of Feb.[/QUOTE]

everything is looking great! I found it to be a very hectic time in the phase you are it but also very satisfying as the rooms started to take shape and "results" could be seen from all the effort put in getting there.

Did you have Clydesdale back notch your Timbers for the sheetrock? If so be sure you have a very detailed conversation with the rockers about how to use these and how to finish off around them (my conversation was not good enough and as the frame has shrunk I am now adding small trim to fill gap - you may find this to be a good idea anyway) We used tearaway edging against the timbers that did not have the notch and this provided a very clean edge to the sheetrock and subsequent paint.
 
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Rick - as far as looking into timberframers, Clydesdale Frames was the first and to be honest only framer we looked at very seriously. ...

As far as general contractors... I guess the main thing I could advise would be to know your plan inside and out and think about 3-4 steps ahead of the process as you go. ...Our framer was also a GC who builds some pretty high end houses. This was also his second timberframe. Even with that said we would have had major problems if I had not been onsite leading the build. When we get close to finalizing the build I'll take the time to detail some the issues and challenges as we progressed through the build.

Insulation turned out to be a non-issue. ... Let me know if you have other questions.

Thanks for your feedback Jeremy. I've ordered the DVD from Clydesdale so the process is at least started. The GC is where I have the biggest concern. The builders I we have interviewed are top notch - but lack specific TF knowledge. This will be something to discuss with Chris and John I guess. Looking forward to your summary of the issues/challenges.

Latest photos look great. What move in date are you shooting for?

Rick
 
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Rick I think your question was directed to Jeremy but I'll give you my feedback as I have gone through the same experience.

In my case I have always enjoyed woodworking and rustic decor...

...Jeremy has done a great job covering his experience in this thread

Feel free to PM me if you would like to discuss my experience further
-Rich

Rich,

Thanks for your input - I'm happy to listen to others' experiences. My construction experience is limited - and I'd certainly say my carpentry skills are more skewed to the side of being able to do rough carpentry rather than the skills required for finish work. (I can certainly frame walls, decks and I have remodeled our family room. But, that being said, I'm hiring this work out.) I'm also building a 40x60' steel shed (I should start a thread on that build, but it would certainly pale in comparison to Jeremy's) with an office and bathroom on the mezzanine. So between that and my day job, I've got plenty on my plate already.

Thanks for the invite to PM. I'll probably take you up on that after Julie and I get a little further in.

Rick
 
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Thanks for your feedback Jeremy. I've ordered the DVD from Clydesdale so the process is at least started. The GC is where I have the biggest concern. The builders I we have interviewed are top notch - but lack specific TF knowledge. This will be something to discuss with Chris and John I guess. Looking forward to your summary of the issues/challenges.

Latest photos look great. What move in date are you shooting for?

Rick

Thanks Rick. I'm hoping to be in by the end of April. My wife wants March but I don't really see that happening.

I found it to be a very hectic time in the phase you are it but also very satisfying as the rooms started to take shape and "results" could be seen from all the effort put in getting there.

Did you have Clydesdale back notch your Timbers for the sheetrock? If so be sure you have a very detailed conversation with the rockers about how to use these and how to finish off around them (my conversation was not good enough and as the frame has shrunk I am now adding small trim to fill gap - you may find this to be a good idea anyway) We used tearaway edging against the timbers that did not have the notch and this provided a very clean edge to the sheetrock and subsequent paint.

We had a sheetrock edge put on, however where possible I had my framers pull the walls back a half inch so we could run rock completely behind the timbers. Scissor trusses and areas where the sheetrock will dead end into a timber will get a tear off edge. The sheetrockers I decided to use were not the cheapest but did have a lot of experience with tearoffs and commercial work where edging around unconventional surfaces was important. I'm hoping the extra money spent will payoff in the finish work. I'm heading back to the house this evening to try to get the fireplace set in place. Installers will be there tomorrow to run the flue. The fireplace insert turned out to be a bit of a challenge as the combustion air intakes were on the side of the fireplace and not on the top as expected. It created clearance issues with the chase and some fabrication work to fix it.

Jeremy
 
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yep - depending on how particular you are with smooth wall and such you will find that the better sheetrock finisher is well worth it (in the end we have found that adding wood in most if not all areas is how we would do it if/when we do our next project)

Your air intact is a good example for Rick on the type of issues that come up during the project and not always dealt with the same way it can be in typical stick frame.
 
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Thanks for your input - I'm happy to listen to others' experiences. My construction experience is limited - and I'd certainly say my carpentry skills are more skewed to the side of being able to do rough carpentry rather than the skills required for finish work. (I can certainly frame walls, decks and I have remodeled our family room. But, that being said, I'm hiring this work out.) I'm also building a 40x60' steel shed (I should start a thread on that build, but it would certainly pale in comparison to Jeremy's) with an office and bathroom on the mezzanine. So between that and my day job, I've got plenty on my plate already.

Thanks for the invite to PM. I'll probably take you up on that after Julie and I get a little further in.

Rick[/QUOTE]

If the shed is close to the site for the TimberFrame that will be useful for storing material, tools etc. I am just now working on my "barn" and wish I had done it first.
I will say that actually visiting with the TimberFrame folks and visiting a construction site in progress can help you get an appreciation of what is different and what is basically the same.
I know Clydesdale is raising a small frame in Wichita early next month and they seem to have quite a few projects in Missouri (not sure if any are scheduled in the near future) - but coordinating a visit with them (or other TF'er) when you can see a raising and possibly visit a site in similar stage as Jeremy helps - we were able to do early on when deciding this was the type of house we wanted to do and that it was not so far out that I couldn't cover the GC effort.
On that point I found teh Timberframe actually helped to cover many of the details - it provided the key structure and left minimal interior walls to frame.
Chris worked with me to design the house, floor plan, exterior elevation etc - not elaborate architectural approach but better detail than my previous two houses -
They also provide detailed foundation drawings
My GC effort (and the person you hire) was mostly focused on scheduling subs, inspections and working out conflicts between subs (much of this you will want/need to be involved in even if you hire the GC)
I found that the TF nor SIPs did not in itself add any complex issues to the project - the biggest task was a need to have a very good idea of finished project before we started - not easy to make changes after you get going (this was more of an issue with the SIPs I used as windows, doors, wiring etc is all factory built)
 

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