Stopping a snowmobile without injury

[MossRoad]

Really? That's the law up there? In my mind, if I am standing on privately owned land and I don't own it, I am trespassing. And I would bet most reasonable people would agree.

I've noticed in many states, land that is not posted is open to the public. And you would lose your bet in those states. They were born and raised in a state that requires land to be posted and that is what is considered reasonable there. Where I was raised, you didn't go on other peoples' property without asking permission first. That's reasonable here, but not there. When it Rome....

 

[480volts]

Excerpt from State of Mn Snowmobile laws pg 23

Inside the seven-county metro area,
you may NOT ride:
• on land that you do not own, unless
given written or verbal permission to
ride on that land by the owner,
occupant, or lessee, or unless
signs are posted stating
snowmobiling is allowed.

Excerpt from Anoka county parks dept pg 17
Section 9 - Snowmobiling
It shall be unlawful for any person to:
a. Operate a snowmobile in a park except on designated trails and then only on the right-hand side of the trail; or
b. Operate a snowmobile in a park contrary to rules and regulations established by the Director; or
c. Operate a snowmobile in a park in excess of posted speed limits, at a rate of speed greater than reasonable or proper under current condition, or in a careless, reckless, or negligent manner so as to endanger the person or property of another or to cause injury or damage thereto; or
d. Operate a snowmobile in violation of Minnesota Statutes, Section 84.81-84.90 “Snowmobile Laws” and Minnesota Rule 6100 “Snowmobile Rules and Regulations” (all rules and regulations therein pertaining to ‘public land and water’ shall apply on park property); or
e. Tow another person or thing, except in emergencies and only through the use of a rigid tow bar attached to the rear of the snowmobile; or
f. Operate a snowmobile in violation of any posted trail sign.

Enough said

 

[MossRoad]

So are you saying that you are not required to post your land or not, because earlier you made it sound like you have to post your land but what you posted above says you don't. Very confusing.

 

[dave1949]

So are you saying that you are not required to post your land or not, because earlier you made it sound like you have to post your land but what you posted above says you don't. Very confusing.

We have written permission required for ATV's here, posted or not. It could be like that. Separating general trespassing rules from ATV/sled access.

 

[MNBobcat]

Moss,

I just read the snowmobile rules and apparently the rules are different for snowmobiles than foot traffic and also different in the 7 county metro area than they are everywhere else in the state.

Apparently he isn't required to post the land. But on the other hand, you have to wonder about the common sense aspect of seeking a way to sabotage someone and risk ending up in jail versus simply putting up some signs stating snowmobilers aren't allowed. Especially when the snowmobile clubs will come out and put up the signs for free in many cases.

 

[480volts]

Yes i agree it is confusing metro vs non metro. I was asking if it was possible to do or had anybody tried it. Based on what other members have said I will not be doing anything other than what is 100% legal. I am meeting with the sheriff or his designee in my area personally in the next day or two as soon as he is available (this is the guy who deals with nothing but situations like this). I have tried the snowmobile clubs last year, it fell on deaf ears.

 

[bigtiller]

I've noticed in many states, land that is not posted is open to the public. And you would lose your bet in those states. They were born and raised in a state that requires land to be posted and that is what is considered reasonable there. Where I was raised, you didn't go on other peoples' property without asking permission first. That's reasonable here, but not there. When it Rome....

I would expect that and accept it in mountainous states where the federal government owns a very large percentage of the land. But other than the north east section, isn't most of Minnesota is privately owned farm ground?

 

[Industrial Toys]

I've said it before. Sometimes psychology can go a long way toward getting you what you want.

Post "No Tresspassing signs", and people will just laugh at you.

How about this sign instead?

SNOWMOBILE AT OWN RISK
Various HAZZARDS Present
WIRE FENCES, BURIED STUMPS
Owner accepts no responsibility

I doubt you will see many sleds.

Not sure of your setup, but something to consider.

 

[murphy1244]

you may NOT ride:
• on land that you do not own, unless
given written or verbal permission to
ride on that land by the owner,
occupant, or lessee, or unless
signs are posted stating
snowmobiling is allowed.

Right there is it. He don't even need to post it. Here it would be criminal trespassing.

 

[tcartwri]

In Ontario, if the riders have had a previous right of way over someones property, it is very difficult to get that changed, even if the property changes ownership.

Is that the case here?