Comparing 1635 vs JD3520 and Boomer35

[kas2960]

I am comparing the 1635 to the John Deer 3520 and New Holland Boomer 35. The 1635 has a greater front lift (1900 lbs) vs JD @1600 and NH @1300. That's significant. Also I noticed that the Lift at the 3 pt hitch is different. Now this is where I'm not sure, what is meant by "lift capacity at 24" and Lift capacity at ball/hook ends? The 1635 at the hook ends is 2800lbs. I do not know what the 3520 is (nothing in the book) and the Boomer is 1800lbs. These seem to be fairly significant differences at least to me. Am I really comparing apples to apples?? The ground clearance for the 1635 is 14". There are no numbers for the others. I guess I will have to go back and look. All seem very comfortable sitting in and the controls all seem well laid out. The 3520 seems to be the lightest but only by 180+- lbs. Trying to help narrow done my decision

 

[Buppies]

The 3520 is a great tractor provided you are dealing with mostly level ground. If you have 10 degree plus terrain it becomes very unstable and uncomfortable to use. 1635 is a great tractor cab not as refined as JD but not as tippy. Had a 3520 as you can see no longer have it, debated long and hard between 1648 and Kubota this time ended up with Kubota but they were very very close for my usage( lots of fel work and snow removal brush removal etc)

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

After looking at tractors this year, I ended up surprised at how "Spartan" or basic New Holland tractors are. The aren't exactly "refined" like JD or MF.

 

[kas2960]

The 3520 is a great tractor provided you are dealing with mostly level ground. If you have 10 degree plus terrain it becomes very unstable and uncomfortable to use. 1635 is a great tractor cab not as refined as JD but not as tippy. Had a 3520 as you can see no longer have it, debated long and hard between 1648 and Kubota this time ended up with Kubota but they were very very close for my usage( lots of fel work and snow removal brush removal etc)

Thanks for the reply Buppies. What do you think is the cause for it being tippy?

 

[kas2960]

After looking at tractors this year, I ended up surprised at how "Spartan" or basic New Holland tractors are. The aren't exactly "refined" like JD or MF.

Are the Boomers being manufactured in India?

 

[Buppies]

Thanks for the reply Buppies. What do you think is the cause for it being tippy?

Narrow width almost turned mine over one to many times so it left and Kubota came. With increased size came much more stability. If memory serves me correctly my new one is almost a foot wider. PM me if you have anymore questions

 

[toddler]

I have a 3520 now. I like it. I also have 3.5" wheel spacers for it, so unless you are running R1/Ags, if stability is a concern for you, I'd budget another $400 for the deere than your out the door price.

That said, I haven't heard of many people tipping the 3x20 series, but they are narrow and they do seat you fairly tall. Sitting tall may be part of it, but wider is better for sloped ground. So is a lower center of gravity.

What will you be using the tractor for?

 

[eagle107]

Are the Boomers being manufactured in India?

The Boomer open station compact tractor models (Boomer 20 to Boomer 50 models) are made by LS Tractor (Korean). The Boomer 3000 series cab compact tractor models (Boomer 3040 to 3050) are made by Shibaura (Japanese). Shibaura has been making the compact tractors for Ford since the early 1970s and you will find that those models are a little more refined than the LS Tractor models.

 

[kas2960]

I have a 3520 now. I like it. I also have 3.5" wheel spacers for it, so unless you are running R1/Ags, if stability is a concern for you, I'd budget another $400 for the deere than your out the door price.

That said, I haven't heard of many people tipping the 3x20 series, but they are narrow and they do seat you fairly tall. Sitting tall may be part of it, but wider is better for sloped ground. So is a lower center of gravity.

What will you be using the tractor for?

Well, I plan to use it for bush hogging around the fields and pushing snow. But what does concern me is when I'm using it to skid out logs. As I do have some "uneven" terrain. Actually hills! But I don't plan to us it navigating around trees as I do have a number of trails cut. Which would benefit greatly from a blade, so another use I have to admit I am really taking a shine to the 1635. Seems like a very well built machine. Dealer has a bad rap in my parts though so I might have to drive 40 minutes to the next one if I do go with the Massey. Sounds like my property might not be suited to the 3520.

 

[kas2960]

The Boomer open station compact tractor models (Boomer 20 to Boomer 50 models) are made by LS Tractor (Korean). The Boomer 3000 series cab compact tractor models (Boomer 3040 to 3050) are made by Shibaura (Japanese). Shibaura has been making the compact tractors for Ford since the early 1970s and you will find that those models are a little more refined than the LS Tractor models.

Wasn't the Japanese plant damaged in the tsunami? I thought I heard that they will be a few years before they would be in production.

 

[toddler]

Heavy work. For less $ than a 3520 you could look at the Kioti Dk40 and Dk45. That is what I planned to buy, but SWMBO was worried about the size when mowing. Anyway, I lucked into a 3520 with only 9 hours for a couple of thousand less than the Kioti tractors.

However, while the Deere is more refined, those Kioti's are a lot more tractor than the 3520, and you could use it. Get a heavy choke chain and you'll be much happier pulling logs and stumps one of them than with the Deere or the 1635. They're more like the MF 1742.

Of course, I don't know your prices up there. For me a DK45 and FEL would have been 23,800 delivered. A new 3520 here would be ~5k more once taxes were added in. Why I was going to go Kioti, but like I said, my price for a 3520 was more than 2 thousand less than that even with the wheel spacers.

 

[Buppies]

Well, I plan to use it for bush hogging around the fields and pushing snow. But what does concern me is when I'm using it to skid out logs. As I do have some "uneven" terrain. Actually hills! But I don't plan to us it navigating around trees as I do have a number of trails cut. Which would benefit greatly from a blade, so another use I have to admit I am really taking a shine to the 1635. Seems like a very well built machine. Dealer has a bad rap in my parts though so I might have to drive 40 minutes to the next one if I do go with the Massey. Sounds like my property might not be suited to the 3520.

When I asked my JD dealer about spacers to extend the width of the rear wheels he did not want to do it said it might void warranty or something to that affect. The 1635 is a good machine and think you would be most satisfied

 

[toddler]

It's hard to imagine Deere not standing behind their product because of wheel spacers, but I'm pretty confident in the local dealer here. Well, in one of them If I were to set the width wider than the 68.4" max in the specs, I might worry if I broke an axle, but I haven't seen many stories about JD being unwilling to stand behind their product or about the 3x20's having that problem. With my spacers, my max width is still only between 66 and 67".

I agree the Massey is a really nice tractor, and it is wider than the Deere. Probably a better choice for kas. I think the DK45 is an even better choice for what he wants to do, assuming it's in the same price range.

 

[Flying MXZ]

I looked at both the 1635 and 3520 and the 1635 just seemed like more tractor to me, for the same or less money. Love the 1635 every time I use it. Very stable, powerful, no issues. Even my dad, a born and raised JD man loves the tractor.

 

[toddler]

I'm not a Deere guy. I buy cars to get me from point A to point B and tractors to do jobs X,Y,Z, so I think that's a valid observation. When you look at the material goods only, it seems like almost everyone offers "more" tractor for the $ than Deere. That may be true even if you qualify for some of J. Deere's ag/commercial/government discounts, and I don't.

A new JD is seldom a value purchase unless you need to make your living with it. When a single day out of service can cost you thousands of dollars, JD's parts and service network is worth the initial buy in price. My tractor, however, is just for home use, which is why I had planned to get a Kioti. The Kioti DK would have been a lot bigger, and is probably a more durable tractor because of its larger size. Easier for it to do the same job ... It's not as "luxurious" or high tech as the Deere 3x20's, but who cares once you get some mud on it. Also, in the unlikely event a repair cost me a week or two of down time to get parts shipped in, it would not have bother me. Like I said, I lose no money on down time.

The 1600 series MFs are really nice. In my area, I think they wind up just behind the Kioti when it comes to tractor for the $. I don't know about how that is in Canada, but I think it's worth Kas' time to look into Kioti too. Or he could do what I did, and go for a used tractor. BTW, I was wrong on my personal prices. My 9 hour old purchase saved me more than $7K over brand new JD from the local dealer, which is why I wouldn't even have considered the JD if this one hadn't become available.

 

[murphy1244]

This is the internet era, I can get parts just as fast as any JD can get theirs. Most JD Dealers are owned by the same Company per a very large area.

 

[toddler]

No you can't, Murph. It would be nice if you could, but it simply isn't true for a lot of parts. Even with the internet to help, you need the stock and the internal capabilities at the company to provide the parts your dealer doesn't stock.

I know Kubota shipped shipped stuff from Japan for my dealer in Vermont, but he admitted it could take weeks for some larger items. A large maintenance contractor I spoke to up by the University of Virginia a couple of years ago had just switched from Kubota to Kioti. He loved the tractors and his dealer, and clearly he'd gotten more for his money, but he commented it did take longer to get parts. The thing he'd just broken recently was some pipe that goes to the rear remote. They put in a temporary fix for him with a hose I think, just to get him up and running, but the part was on order. Compare that to John Deere over-nighting large parts from Georgia when a local farmer in Vermont needed his tractor fixed quickly, and it's not comparable. Deere has ability to get us parts faster.

The Deere company has more invested in their supply chain and stock, and we all pay for it (nix that, all Deere owners pay for it). I have freely admitted that this is not a valuable capability for me. It's likely not value added for kas either, but credit where credit is due.

 

[kas2960]

Heavy work. For less $ than a 3520 you could look at the Kioti Dk40 and Dk45. That is what I planned to buy, but SWMBO was worried about the size when mowing. Anyway, I lucked into a 3520 with only 9 hours for a couple of thousand less than the Kioti tractors.

However, while the Deere is more refined, those Kioti's are a lot more tractor than the 3520, and you could use it. Get a heavy choke chain and you'll be much happier pulling logs and stumps one of them than with the Deere or the 1635. They're more like the MF 1742.

Of course, I don't know your prices up there. For me a DK45 and FEL would have been 23,800 delivered. A new 3520 here would be ~5k more once taxes were added in. Why I was going to go Kioti, but like I said, my price for a 3520 was more than 2 thousand less than that even with the wheel spacers.

I started out looking at the Kioti. What worries me up here is that they are only sold at the New Holland dealer. I was wondering if they will still be there or any service once New Holland gets the plant in Japan back up. At least that is what I'm hearing here. Hard to find out the truth. A few lads I work with are very happy with the Kioti. If I had of known that there were this many different tractors to choose from I'm not sure I would have even started to look :laughing: But I am having so much fun asking questions and learning :thumbsup:

 

[toddler]

My closest Kioti dealer closed too, but there are two others within 45 minutes of me, so it wasn't an issue for me. The "dealer density may have contributed to their demise. How far is the next nearest dealer in the event your closest one drops the line? Because for the hours we homeowners use CUTs, and given the fact that we don't "need" to have them available every day, an hour or two to a dealer isn't tragic. Just means you may give up your tractor for a couple of weeks one of these years.

 

[murphy1244]

I am willing to bet I can get my parts just as fast as you. Being Kioti is from S Korea they stock more parts here as they put them together in NC.