Comparing 1635 vs JD3520 and Boomer35

[toddler]

I am willing to bet I can get my parts just as fast as you. Being Kioti is from S Korea they stock more parts here as they put them together in NC.

Like your faith in our local boys

 

[droptop]

Had two Deere 770's made by Yanmar and loved them. The direct injected Yanmar engines are among the best made. They were super easy to start even without using heaters down to 10F. But when I wanted to get something with a factory cab, the price of the green paint almost gave me a heart attack! Ended up getting a 1635 with a cab for over $6K less than the green one. The Iseki engine on the 1635 needs glow plugs to start even at 50F, but always starts with no issues, but I still like the Yanmar engines. If Yanmar had a tractor with a cab, I think that would have been high on my list, but I am totally satisfied with the MF and the power shuttle is a great transmission.

 

[kas2960]

Had two Deere 770's made by Yanmar and loved them. The direct injected Yanmar engines are among the best made. They were super easy to start even without using heaters down to 10F. But when I wanted to get something with a factory cab, the price of the green paint almost gave me a heart attack! Ended up getting a 1635 with a cab for over $6K less than the green one. The Iseki engine on the 1635 needs glow plugs to start even at 50F, but always starts with no issues, but I still like the Yanmar engines.

Same here in Canada regarding John Deere. There are a great tractor but the price point for me is to high. I will be sitting in a Boomer35 next week along with the Kioti's. I was also looking at the Kioti CK35. Seems very narrow and light on the bucket lift. In fact it was the lightest of all the models I looked at. Had to go up to the DK40 to have similar physical specs to the 1635. Mind you the DK40 weight and bucket lift exceed the 1635 as it should be. The 1635 seems to fit the bill with me all thought I do wish it had a few more "ponies" on the PTO. Looking at requirements for Bush Hog. Seems like the 1635 will work a 5' ok.

 

[droptop]

The 1635 runs a 5 ft brush hog well, but the tires are just a bit wider than the brush hog. I will upgrade to a 6 ft if I run across a good deal, but until then I'll just keep using the 5 ft. If you need the extra hp, there's always the 1643.

 

[toddler]

So if I buy a DK45se HST for 23,800, play with it for an hour and sell it to you as a used tractor for 18,000 plus say 6,300 in shipping , what would you pay in taxes to bring it across the border?
Todd

Edit: Posted the above thinking the tax must be 25 or 30%, but it's only 6%, and we border Ontario. Seems like you could save 10,000 if you price at a dealer just over the border even after you pay the $1500 to import the tractor. Yeah, you'll have to drive down to the US for major service, but still. . . for over 10K in savings, you can get a really nice trailer and turn the trip into a vacation the 2 or 3 times you MAY have to make it over the next 10 years. Or you can hire someone to ship it... Minnesota ?

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/buying-pricing-comparisons/56353-bring-us-tractors-canada.html

 

[GManBart]

I started out looking at the Kioti. What worries me up here is that they are only sold at the New Holland dealer. I was wondering if they will still be there or any service once New Holland gets the plant in Japan back up. At least that is what I'm hearing here. Hard to find out the truth. A few lads I work with are very happy with the Kioti. If I had of known that there were this many different tractors to choose from I'm not sure I would have even started to look :laughing: But I am having so much fun asking questions and learning :thumbsup:

There is no connection between Kioti, and NH. Daedong owns Kioti, and NH doesn't source anything from them.

 

[GManBart]

No you can't, Murph. It would be nice if you could, but it simply isn't true for a lot of parts. Even with the internet to help, you need the stock and the internal capabilities at the company to provide the parts your dealer doesn't stock.

I know Kubota shipped shipped stuff from Japan for my dealer in Vermont, but he admitted it could take weeks for some larger items. A large maintenance contractor I spoke to up by the University of Virginia a couple of years ago had just switched from Kubota to Kioti. He loved the tractors and his dealer, and clearly he'd gotten more for his money, but he commented it did take longer to get parts. The thing he'd just broken recently was some pipe that goes to the rear remote. They put in a temporary fix for him with a hose I think, just to get him up and running, but the part was on order. Compare that to John Deere over-nighting large parts from Georgia when a local farmer in Vermont needed his tractor fixed quickly, and it's not comparable. Deere has ability to get us parts faster.

The Deere company has more invested in their supply chain and stock, and we all pay for it (nix that, all Deere owners pay for it). I have freely admitted that this is not a valuable capability for me. It's likely not value added for kas either, but credit where credit is due.

LS has a huge warehouse with spare parts in NC, and don't forget that Deere has lots of their machines built overseas now as well, so you might have to wait for a part to be shipped from India, or Japan. The two times I've broken a part on my LS (my fault both times), the parts were here in two or three days.

For most weekend warriors, I don't see how a few days either way is a big issue. If you're growing crops for a living, that would change things, but you'd hope those folks have more than one machine.

 

[toddler]

I think most of the larger companies are good at keeping parts in stock. Never argued they weren't. I just said Deere invested more in that aspect of the business and therefore had more capability to deliver a lot of parts fast.
What you said here:

For most weekend warriors, I don't see how a few days either way is a big issue.

was exactly my point.

 

[GManBart]

I just said Deere invested more in that aspect of the business and therefore had more capability to deliver a lot of parts fast.

How do you know, factually, that Deere has more parts on hand? They have a lot more models, which may be why they have "invested" more....if they even have at all. These are the kind of claims that really can't be backed up by anybody. It's not like the companies are going to break down how many parts the keep in inventory, for every single model, and then publish it for comparison.

Also, you compared Kioti/Daedong which certainly has a longer track record in the U.S., but is far smaller than LS if you look at their annual revenue, etc. I know LS has revenue numbers roughly twice what Kubota does, and slightly less than Deere. Imagine that....2010 revenue of $25.2B for LS Group, and $26B for big ole John Deere. No, it's not all tractor revenue (Deere isn't either), but the Koreans are on comin' fellas!

 

[droptop]

Having worked for a company that supplied parts to Deere for both current and non-current products, I know first hand that they keep a large inventory based on annual usage. Additionally the inventory is spread out over the six regional parts depots in the US and the two in Canada, so even if the closest warehouse doesn't have it the others likely will. Since the distance to the warehouse is important from a shipping time and cost aspect having multiple warehouses saves time and money. And when you are buying Green parts, you need to save as much green on shipping as you can :laughing: I really don't want to have to pay Next Day Air charges to ship across the country if I can get it overnight for standard UPS charges because the part is not going that far.

They have parts depots in:
Atlanta, Georgia
Dallas, Texas
Denver, Colorado
Portland, Oregon
Stockton, California
Syracuse, New York
Grimsby, Ontario
Regina, Saskatchewan

I don't know if Deere is the Best, but they are very good at getting you service part fast any time I needed it quickly.