Stopping a snowmobile without injury

[DarkBlack]

In that county and several other counties, the snowmobilers cannot enter private land without written permission. The property line starts at the waters edge. That's pretty clear to everyone but a few here that somehow think the property owner is at fault for not posting his property, when the law clearly states he doesn't have to in that county.

We all get the "don't drive on someone's lawn" idea. I just can't seem to find on the internet, the Minnesota "clear" 1' rule off a river law you keep speaking of.
I know around here, water bodies have varying heights depending on the season and weather. Land owners only maintain the "high water mark". In winter, rivers, ponds, etc... are much lower, and are commonly mistaken by landowners as "their" land, yet it's not. Can you post a link to this law you refer to?

 

[DarkBlack]

Wow, that is what you chose to write for your first post?

How did you come to your conclusion?

My guess, ( and he may correct me), is that he may be speaking of the easy disorientation that can occur when a sledder rides to a unfarmiliar far away place or town. Depending on the conditions, there may have been little or no trail marking. The rider may be lost or be fearing being lost and running low on fuel. The rider may be simply trying to cirlce back to a familiar trail so he doesn't risk spending the night lost in the woods and freezing to death.
As far as I know, there isn't a gas station every mile in the woods on a sled trail. I think it may be a misconception to think every sled off a trail was an arogant act of comfort.
They may have had frozen/fogged up helmet visors, making relaxed best judgements difficult. I don't think it's like driving in your average big pampered warm toasty car/truck, with all the luxuries.That gives even an elderly car driver, time and comfort to read every posted street sign, etc.. to make all the right choices.

 

[MNBobcat]

We all get the "don't drive on someone's lawn" idea. I just can't seem to find on the internet, the Minnesota "clear" 1' rule off a river law you keep speaking of.
I know around here, water bodies have varying heights depending on the season and weather. Land owners only maintain the "high water mark". In winter, rivers, ponds, etc... are much lower, and are commonly mistaken by landowners as "their" land, yet it's not. Can you post a link to this law you refer to?

The laws really have nothing to do with the situation. If the law says snowmobilers shouldn't be on this guy's property and yet the snowmobilers are there anyway, what the law says or doesn't say doesn't change the situation. Regardless of any laws, they are on his property. Which brings us right back to how do you solve the problem? The list of choices for solving the problem I think is pretty clear.

But...here is another reason why I think this entire discussion is an exercise in futility. The original poster started this topic by asking how to booby trap snowmobiles. That right there is a clear sign of bad judgement. Then he mentions harassing snowmobilers in parks. Another sign of bad judgement. Then he refuses to post his property out of fear of retaliation because his name would be on the signs and they would know who owns the property. Anyone who wants to know who owns the property can punch the address into the Anoka County web site and it will say who owns it along with what they pay in taxes. That's public information.

There have been such a series of questionable things said that I really don't even believe anyone is on his property. I'm on the same river. I haven't had one....not one snowmobile this entire winter... come up off the river onto my property. Its not posted or fenced along the river.

Normally when a snowmobiler gets on the river they stay on it until they get to where they're going. But I can tell you that you can hear those sleds for over a mile when they're running the river at high speeds. My guess is they're running the river and he doesn't like the noise...hence the booby trap idea since he can't put signs or fencing across the river.

 

[DarkBlack]

But I can tell you that you can hear those sleds for over a mile when they're running the river at high speeds. My guess is they're running the river and he doesn't like the noise...hence the booby trap idea since he can't put signs or fencing across the river.

I can agree with the above.
I'll add people can hear every man made machine, from tractor, car to truck to boat to chainsaw to airplane....

 

[MossRoad]

You guys are trying to justify trespassing.

 

[DarkBlack]

Who owns the frozen river ice and snow?

 

[elkdraw]

If you have animals spread manure on their trails. It doe'snt stop them but you get the satisfaction of surely ruining their machines. I have horses and use sawdust for bedding the urine gets soaked up in the sawdust and sticks to the under side of the sled . Urine and aluminum don't mix and will be harmful to the parts.

 

[MossRoad]

Who owns the frozen river ice and snow?

What does that have to do with people driving off the river onto the OP's property?

 

[J F]

 

[MossRoad]

That'll attract some hippies, who'll probably light it on fire and dance around it.