Mace Canute
Elite Member
I want to hear about that cat!
farm rescue/ firemans rant
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I want to hear about that cat!
RockyMtn.Hillbilly
Member
Cool beans. Long drive.
From the sounds of it the guy was super lucky. IF this is what I think it is it would have gone two ways- it could have ripped his leg off OR it could have merely crushed it from the knee up, risking tearing the femoral artery. Since I am going off of descriptions only, I could be wrong.
Yeah, what an arrogant mule. Seen those before. Don't they irritate the beejeebers out of ya? More concerned about losing business than losing an employee. I suppose if he has the insurance, a mere human life really has no value to him. Which is the difference between you and him, Pat. You're a chief that values life. He's a POS that couldn't care less.
Yes you can. You're the fire chief and you have the right, if not the obligation, to go take photographs as part of the investigation and to further training your rescue personnel on better and more expedient methods of performing those types of rescues at less damage/cost to the owner (pop that one on him and I betcha he'll make sure you're welcome there). If he refuses you still have the right to take photos for the report.
Times have changed since I was a volly. I served for about 13 years or so, total. It was always 100% volunteer. You didn't get paid for nothing. If you incurred a cost for parts or tools or some of the expenses for training, you're get reimbursed, and that's it. To me it shows how much someone loves their community that they are willing to go the extra length to save a life. Maybe a life isn't at risk, but you kept someone's grandmother's birth home from burning down. Or maybe it's a 16 year old girl driving to school and rolls her car while texting. Today things have changed. Now they are paid volunteers. They volunteer for the training, but get paid on call-outs because SOMETHING has to be done to make it worth their while to respond. When a local fire chief told me that, I was left scratching my head. Where has this world gone when the only way to get someone to save another person's life is by offering them money or reward?
"Yes you can. You're the fire chief and you have the right..."
Incorrect.
Once FD leaves the scene there is no further legal premise for re-entry absent either an administrative warrant (if said venue uses that modality) or a search warrant.
Also, open field doctrine only applies as long as the property owner has either not posted properly, or has not personally forbidden entry.
Incorrect.
Once FD leaves the scene there is no further legal premise for re-entry absent either an administrative warrant (if said venue uses that modality) or a search warrant.
Also, open field doctrine only applies as long as the property owner has either not posted properly, or has not personally forbidden entry.
TomSeller
Super Member
Good job extracting the worker. As others have said, the POS owner is going to get his due reward once OSHA gets there. How rude that he jumps the FD before looking to see why his worker was injured. Thank God there are VFD people out there ready and willing to come to the public's aid. Hats off to you.
Zebrafive
Super Member
The owner Should have thanked all for a job well done. %#*& with the machine. Had he been grateful, he might have said: You guys needed a torch? You did not have a torch? I'll buy you a torch for the next time and hope it never needs to be used.
My thanks to all for a job well done!
My thanks to all for a job well done!
kevin37b
Veteran Member
It is about money , not people anymore .
dave1949
Super Star Member
Our local town of ~900 residents VFD is strictly volunteer except for the Chief getting a small amount. We have two tankers, one is almost new, and a squad that is getting old (1988). The annual budget is 25K-$30K. They try to put $5K a year into a truck replacement account, but that got cut last year.
It is getting harder to find young people to staff volunteer fire departments around here. Too many older guys by proportion really. I've only volunteered for two years, so I don't know the issues very well. I'm too old to waste training money on. Running around in full turnout gear with SCBA on is for younger people. But how do you attract them? You don't want bozos.
Just to pitch in for the community more than anything, I help out where I can with traffic control and keeping the station clean, equipment checks, etc.
The nearby town of ~7,000 residents pay a bit for those who turn out. They are considering putting two full time guys on duty plus volunteers. They have talked about an area combined approach, but we already do mutual aid runs so I don't know how much that would help really.
It is getting harder to find young people to staff volunteer fire departments around here. Too many older guys by proportion really. I've only volunteered for two years, so I don't know the issues very well. I'm too old to waste training money on.
Running around in full turnout gear with SCBA on is for younger people. But how do you attract them? You don't want bozos.Just to pitch in for the community more than anything, I help out where I can with traffic control and keeping the station clean, equipment checks, etc.
The nearby town of ~7,000 residents pay a bit for those who turn out. They are considering putting two full time guys on duty plus volunteers. They have talked about an area combined approach, but we already do mutual aid runs so I don't know how much that would help really.
pat32rf
Veteran Member
A buddy of mine got trained with the local small township volunteers, then went to the big city to find work. Often happens. He wound up doing service work for a hydraulic company and one night took a large cylinder back to the empty shop to repair. Not allowed a helper, too costly on double time.
The cylinder wound up coming off a forklift and pinned his legs. He had a cell phone and rather than call 911, he called his wife, a nurse, at home to come and help, thinking he would minimize the red tape. She called workers in a neighbouring shop over to help with the forklift once she had assessed the situation. The wife drove him to the hospital and left the neighbours to lock up/guard the place until the owner arrived. Owner was upset that she didn't wait for HIM to arrive....
The cylinder wound up coming off a forklift and pinned his legs. He had a cell phone and rather than call 911, he called his wife, a nurse, at home to come and help, thinking he would minimize the red tape. She called workers in a neighbouring shop over to help with the forklift once she had assessed the situation. The wife drove him to the hospital and left the neighbours to lock up/guard the place until the owner arrived. Owner was upset that she didn't wait for HIM to arrive....
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firemanpat2910
Platinum Member
thanks for the responses. I have heard that the injured man is recovering well. I have also heard from the fire departments' insurance adjuster. a claim has been filed for the damage to the machine. I have been busy this week writing reports, giving depositions, ect. what a pain. but I am willing to take time off from my paying job if necessary to fight this claim. might not be my money, but I strongly disagree with the farm owner getting one dime.
TomSeller
Super Member
The owner has no conscience. I hope he loses his claim big time. Thank you for your service,