Ram1500 EcoDiesel V6 revealed!

[DeereMann]

February 4, 2014 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - The EcoDiesel-powered 2014 Ram 1500 has earned a 28-mpg rating from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the best highway-cycle test result ever achieved by a full-size, half-ton pickup.

Now this is interesting. How many will line up to pay extra for this vs. 23 MPG for Ford Ecoboost?

And how long will each last? :confused3:

 

[jejeosborne]

Now this is interesting. How many will line up to pay extra for this vs. 23 MPG for Ford Ecoboost?

And how long will each last? :confused3:

Will be interesting. Doesn't quite make up for the additional cost for diesel but it is close. As a running around truck or light towing the Ram looks like a good fit. Same torque numbers but dramatic difference in HP.

 

[DeereMann]

power means nothing. it means the engine speed where the peak torque is acheived. with a gas engine you gotta rev the snot out of it to get the truck to move - exactly the wrong kind of engine for a truck. look what GM has done. very poor.

having peak torque available at lower engine speed is exactly what trucks need. but - they also need a stronger drive train for the higher cyclic loads on the gear teeth, u-joints, etc. when Dodge first put Cummins in, they ripped out a bunch of new auto trannys because of this.

 

[houstonscott]

I know cummins is made here what I'm saying I wont buy a diesel with a a non american engine.

Dodge is not an American company, it's an import, has been off and on for a long while. VT can be traced directly to Detroit Diesel if it makes you feel any better. Why would an italian car company like Chrysler put anything but one of their own diesels into one of their products? You watch, sometime down the road cummins will be out. HS

 

[DeereMann]

Dodge is not an American company, it's an import, has been off and on for a long while. VT can be traced directly to Detroit Diesel if it makes you feel any better. Why would an italian car company like Chrysler put anything but one of their own diesels into one of their products? You watch, sometime down the road cummins will be out. HS

HS,
I recall we discussed VT in the past, with varying opinions of their quality. Do you know their reputation?

 

[fordmantpw]

power means nothing. it means the engine speed where the peak torque is acheived. with a gas engine you gotta rev the snot out of it to get the truck to move - exactly the wrong kind of engine for a truck. look what GM has done. very poor.

having peak torque available at lower engine speed is exactly what trucks need. but - they also need a stronger drive train for the higher cyclic loads on the gear teeth, u-joints, etc. when Dodge first put Cummins in, they ripped out a bunch of new auto trannys because of this.

You need to research the Ford EcoBoost engines then. They don't need to rev to make torque. They make their torque down low, and have an extremely flat torque curve. Many who have towed with them like them better than their diesels due to the higher HP, but similar torque curves. Several folks who have towed with the 3.5 EB in the F150 say it will keep up with the 6.0L PowerStroke, and will out tow the 7.3L. These folks have owned all 3, so they can compare. That's saying something!

Here is a good pic of the torque curve from here:

 

[tcartwri]

You need to research the Ford EcoBoost engines then. They don't need to rev to make torque. They make their torque down low, and have an extremely flat torque curve. Many who have towed with them like them better than their diesels due to the higher HP, but similar torque curves. Several folks who have towed with the 3.5 EB in the F150 say it will keep up with the 6.0L PowerStroke, and will out tow the 7.3L. These folks have owned all 3, so they can compare. That's saying something!

Here is a good pic of the torque curve from here:
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This new diesel actually has more area under the curve than the ford, but it stops pulling at 4K. It should be a very nice towing combination.

 

[Industrial Toys]

This could well be my next p/u. Since the Dakota is no longer made.

I am a huge fan of Jap Diesels. Curious who is on top for reliability after all these emmission mandates of Tier 4?

I was thinking the other day. If it is all about emmissions, why not just leave the old diesel engine as is, with the standard injection pump, leave off any computers and just clean the exhaust?

EDIT PS Filled up yesterday with my Duramax. Thought Diesel had gone down a bit but was SHOCKED that Diesel was 1.42 CDN/litre at a usually cheap station! Makes me think twice abut a Diesel. Never actually pull a thing!

 

[DeereMann]

You need to research the Ford EcoBoost engines then. They don't need to rev to make torque. They make their torque down low, and have an extremely flat torque curve. Many who have towed with them like them better than their diesels due to the higher HP, but similar torque curves. Several folks who have towed with the 3.5 EB in the F150 say it will keep up with the 6.0L PowerStroke, and will out tow the 7.3L. These folks have owned all 3, so they can compare. That's saying something!

Here is a good pic of the torque curve from here:
View attachment 358855

Sure - easy to do with twin turbochargers and wastegates / variable compressor vanes / sliding valves, etc. No big mystery there.

The question is - how long will it hold up under those conditions? If only used occasionally that way, sure it beats diesel cost-wise (I think). But not when pulling most of the time. Gasser blocks/heads, etc. are not built to take the much higher peak cylinder pressures that only a compression ignition engine can provide.

 

[fordmantpw]

Sure - easy to do with twin turbochargers and wastegates / variable compressor vanes / sliding valves, etc. No big mystery there.

The question is - how long will it hold up under those conditions? If only used occasionally that way, sure it beats diesel cost-wise (I think). But not when pulling most of the time. Gasser blocks/heads, etc. are not built to take the much higher peak cylinder pressures that only a compression ignition engine can provide.

So, it's perfectly fine for a diesel to have "twin turbochargers and wastegates / variable compressor vanes / sliding valves, etc", but when a gasser has it, then reliability comes into question?

Again, research the EcoBoost engines before you start knocking them. The engines were built from the ground up to be turbocharged, so they are built more stout than a typical gasser in order to handle the extra loads. Research before you type...