Another Win For GM's HD's

[handirifle]

Nice that they picked last year's Ford to test against instead of the '15 currently available. You know, the one with more HP, more torque, and a beefier tranny.

I guess then the outcome wouldn't have gone GM's way...

Not disputing you, but I couldn't any mention of the model year of the Ford and Dodge, so if they were '14 models, then that is really bad, that coming from a GM guy. No test is ever "fair" completely, but it should be at least the same model year. Wonder where they are mentioned?

 

[fordmantpw]

Not disputing you, but I couldn't any mention of the model year of the Ford and Dodge, so if they were '14 models, then that is really bad, that coming from a GM guy. No test is ever "fair" completely, but it should be at least the same model year. Wonder where they are mentioned?

At the time of publish on 5/1, the '15 Fords were just becoming available, so at the time the article was written, the Ford's weren't available yet. Had they wanted a true test, they would have waited a month to compare apples to apples. If you want to show GM as a winner, do the test before Ford or Dodge releases a new model.

Now, I'm not saying GM is the only one that would do this, they all do. Just making a statement that the test is out of date as soon as it is published.

 

[handirifle]

Yea it should have been same model year, I agree with that 100%. I still contend they are never "fair" but at least go with what the others offer for the same model year.

I'm sure Ford and Dodge will want a rematch if their new offerings are better.

 

[fordmantpw]

Yea it should have been same model year, I agree with that 100%. I still contend they are never "fair" but at least go with what the others offer for the same model year.

I'm sure Ford and Dodge will want a rematch if their new offerings are better.

True. In the grand scheme of things, articles like this don't sell many trucks anyway.

 

[sacmarata]

I'll take my 94' 12 valve with triple disk, low stall converter and manual lockup switch and put it up against anything off the assembly line that doesn't have a Cummins in it.
I've smoked guys in higher HP trucks simply because I can lockup at will. While they are waiting to hit their sweet spot and finally lock up, I'm gone.
I also have 2 low, which I don't think is possible on the newer trannys.

Yea, I brag on my old '94 and never missed her more than I did this past weekend when I took the 32' travel trailer out with the wife's 6.0 chevy.
Now THAT was a noticeable difference. Going 50mph on Interstate uphills is not something I wasn't used to.

 

[fordmantpw]

I'll take my 94' 12 valve with triple disk, low stall converter and manual lockup switch and put it up against anything off the assembly line that doesn't have a Cummins in it.
I've smoked guys in higher HP trucks simply because I can lockup at will. While they are waiting to hit their sweet spot and finally lock up, I'm gone.
I also have 2 low, which I don't think is possible on the newer trannys.

Yea, I brag on my old '94 and never missed her more than I did this past weekend when I took the 32' travel trailer out with the wife's 6.0 chevy.
Now THAT was a noticeable difference. Going 50mph on Interstate uphills is not something I wasn't used to.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Unless, of course, you are one of those modded engines putting out 1000 ft-lbs of torque.

 

[sacmarata]

What I think is funny is why anyone in their right mind would buy a diesel for 10,000# towing jobs? It's not 1996. Gas trucks are stronger than the diesel stuff of 15 years ago. I have a 1/2 ton that has no problem with 10K. I don't get my diesel out of the garage till I am a ton north of that.

Chris

I might have missed something but I'm just not buying it. I would choose any of the big 3 diesels over a gasser any day for a 10,000lb load. I hear guys talk all the time about how their gasser pulls this or that just fine. I usually tell em to get back with me in 5 years and see where it got em. Having no problem with 10,000lbs now is a lot different than having no problems continuously.

Is there a gasser out there that can hold a candle to 20 year old Cummins 12v with free mods and a triple disk TC. If there is I sure haven't met one.

Jellico Mountain in TN is the Crucible that separates the men from the boys around here. Bring your gasser and 10,000# load to Jellico and see if you wanna leave the diesel in the garage next time.

 

[sacmarata]

Yeah, good luck with that.

Unless, of course, you are one of those modded engines putting out 1000 ft-lbs of torque.

I've had extremely good luck with that and all with mostly free mods. You can easily get 300+hp for free on an old 12 valve. Pitch the fuel plate and advance the timing 16*. Get a cheap set of 4k gov springs and viola!!! 300+hp and 600+lb torque. Stock injectors, charger, intake, cam etc...
The only real upgrade required is a triple disk torque converter. Folks get by without em, but I consider it necessary.

I'm pushing somewhere around 360hp currently and have 320,000 miles.

I've got a lead foot and test the modern competition out all the time. If it's stock and not chipped, I'll smoke em. Loaded, unloaded, up hill, etc...

What's really fun is when a gasser with a load tries to hang with me up hills and I slow down so they can catch up and then leave em again.

...so some modern diesel owners will say "I can buy a chip and get 100hp." First off, you can't. Theres real hp gains but not the 100hp listed on the box. With a 12v, I CAN get new injectors and a bigger charger and see REAL WORLD 200+hp. I also get to sell my old charger for a TON!

The point isn't to say how weak the newer stuff is, because it's not. I even like the dreaded 6.0 stroke, but it's a real testament to the staying ability of a truly superior platform Cummins has.

 

[fordmantpw]

I've had extremely good luck with that and all with mostly free mods. You can easily get 300+hp for free on an old 12 valve. Pitch the fuel plate and advance the timing 16*. Get a cheap set of 4k gov springs and viola!!! 300+hp and 600+lb torque. Stock injectors, charger, intake, cam etc...
The only real upgrade required is a triple disk torque converter. Folks get by without em, but I consider it necessary.

I'm pushing somewhere around 360hp currently and have 320,000 miles.

I've got a lead foot and test the modern competition out all the time. If it's stock and not chipped, I'll smoke em. Loaded, unloaded, up hill, etc...

What's really fun is when a gasser with a load tries to hang with me up hills and I slow down so they can catch up and then leave em again.

And you also get 28 MPG empty and 21 loaded with 10k lbs behind you?

 

[Diamondpilot]

I might have missed something but I'm just not buying it. I would choose any of the big 3 diesels over a gasser any day for a 10,000lb load. I hear guys talk all the time about how their gasser pulls this or that just fine. I usually tell em to get back with me in 5 years and see where it got em. Having no problem with 10,000lbs now is a lot different than having no problems continuously.

Is there a gasser out there that can hold a candle to 20 year old Cummins 12v with free mods and a triple disk TC. If there is I sure haven't met one.

Jellico Mountain in TN is the Crucible that separates the men from the boys around here. Bring your gasser and 10,000# load to Jellico and see if you wanna leave the diesel in the garage next time.

I hit the area 5 times a year on my way to Lake Norris.

Like I said I have a Diesel putting out 160 HP above stock but for 10K or less a Modern 1/2 ton is just fine and a Eco Boost is better yet.

Chris