50 Hr maintenance

   / 50 Hr maintenance #11  
Hill Billy, I agree.
Any dealer that needs you to buy a $15 filter to stay in business, probably has bigger issues causing his financial problems.
Any good machine will run with a good filter from a good filter company.
Is it REALLY about a $15 filter to stay in business,I think not?IMHO its about supporting your local dealer who sold you the tractor.When you need Kioti parts for your tractor are you gonna go to the napa parts store?He!! no your not you would be going to your local Kioti tractor dealer correct?To much WAL-MART mentality.
 
   / 50 Hr maintenance #12  
If the dealer really needs your support on items not made by the vehicle company, such as oil filters made by filter companies, then they should price them to attract you in. That's called a free market. Trying to make a consumer "feel guilty" for not spending more money from a dealer is a demented business idea. Don't try to put failing multi-million dollar corporate/dealer management cost structure decisions on the consumer. That's plain poor. They choose the price...
If they have a good product at a good price It will sell itself.
 
   / 50 Hr maintenance #13  
At least with a gear drive you don't have the expensive HST filter.

I have a CK2510 with HST. Not at 50 hrs yet but is the HST filter $$$? Also I was gonna use Rotella and quality Hydo fluid ... do I have to use Kioti Fluids?
 
   / 50 Hr maintenance #14  
I have a CK2510 with HST. Not at 50 hrs yet but is the HST filter $$$? Also I was gonna use Rotella and quality Hydo fluid ... do I have to use Kioti Fluids?

No! You don't have to. The HST filter can only be had from Kioti, the rest you can cross over to others.
 
   / 50 Hr maintenance #15  
If the dealer really needs your support on items not made by the vehicle company, such as oil filters made by filter companies, then they should price them to attract you in. That's called a free market. Trying to make a consumer "feel guilty" for not spending more money from a dealer is a demented business idea. Don't try to put failing multi-million dollar corporate/dealer management cost structure decisions on the consumer. That's plain poor. They choose the price...
If they have a good product at a good price It will sell itself.
I think I got it now, WAL-MART.You still did not answer the REAL question WHAT happens when I need Kioti parts?Enlighten me?
 
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   / 50 Hr maintenance #16  
You just don't seem to get it.
Sales and marketing success is the company's burden,... or fortune.. not the buyer's.
If you don't do any work to generate any enthusiasm for the consumer regarding a certain item, then don't cry when they don't come to your store to buy it.

Pretty simple actually.
 
   / 50 Hr maintenance #17  
You just don't seem to get it.
Sales and marketing success is the company's burden,... or fortune.. not the buyer's.
If you don't do any work to generate any enthusiasm for the consumer regarding a certain item, then don't cry when they don't come to your store to buy it.

Pretty simple actually.
Ya I get it big words.With no answer to the real question.Are you in the PR business?
 
   / 50 Hr maintenance #18  
I called Kioti and they really insist on Kioti filters. They say if there is a failure, and it can be traced to an aftermarket filter, they won't warranty it. ...

This makes perfect sense to me. Kioti cannot be responsible for the quality or compatibility of filters they don't control. So if you install such a filter AND it damages your machine, it's not Kioti's problem. Maybe you could go after the filter supplier but good luck with that; I foresee a long and costly liability fight there. If it was a Kioti part that caused the problem there's nothing to fight about; the ball is in Kioti's court.

If Kioti is like most companies they don't make much (if any) profit on parts and supplies. Dealers do make something on servicing but only make money on parts if they have to stock anyway. When you consider the man-hours to research, order, receive and inventory, notify, and sell a special order part it would be a loss except the employee's (or owner's) time was already a sunk cost.

Fluids are different. Kioti provides a spec or at least a list of suitable (non-Kioti) fluids. As long as you comply, no problem. Engine oil, in particular always shows the appropriate API certifications on the container. Generic (like TSC) hydraulic fluid is harder to figure but most containers at least list some of the applications and specs (Deere, Case, etc.) the oil does meet.

Personally, my only complaint here is that I don't have a Kioti or Bobcat dealer nearby. If I did, I would have a vested interest in the quality of his support and his continued existence. As it is, I'm glad there are folks like MIE that can get me what I need.

I have no idea what point DarkBlack is trying to make.
 
   / 50 Hr maintenance #19  
I think I got it now, WAL-MART.You still did not answer the REAL question WHAT happens when I need Kioti parts?Enlighten me?

I think I'm loosing you here. In the hope of saving a post, I'm going to guess what I think you are trying to hypothesize:
So... you are saying that because a guy didn't buy a $15 oil filter from a tractor dealer....That leads to a catastrophic chain of events that leads to you not being able to buy Kioti parts?:confused2:
 
   / 50 Hr maintenance #20  
I think I'm loosing you here. In the hope of saving a post, I'm going to guess what I think you are trying to hypothesize:
So... you are saying that because a guy didn't buy a $15 oil filter from a tractor dealer....That leads to a catastrophic chain of events that leads to you not being able to buy Kioti parts?:confused2:
My dad taught me at a early age not to debate to long with idiots who don,t understand.They will only bring you down to there level beat you with experience.YOU WIN,LOL.
 

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