Making money with land

   / Making money with land #121  
Rhino 35,

Limit the amount of pesticides and fungicides that you use, and definitely don't use either when the trees/plants in question are in bloom, which you already do, and by planting bee friendly ornamentals and cover crops. Of course deer might like the ornamentals as well, but there are some that bees like and deer don't.
 
   / Making money with land #122  
The first step and real issue is to have your soil tested and see what it is capable of growing, then what it needs to grow what you want. Not all soils are created equal.
 
   / Making money with land #123  
Are there any energy producing companies near you? A biomass energy plant If so, you should look at the possibility of planting some grass like Giant Miscanthus. There are other types available. BIOMASS is a relatively self maintenance crop.
 
   / Making money with land #124  
Over the last 40 + years we supplemented our income with various agricultural ventures. The most profitable was beef. They help with the taxes many years. We kept chickens, hay neighboring fields and grew vegetables. No easy quick money as the beef took 1 1/2 to 2 years to get to market size. After my fight with cancer we cut way back and now with the labor all grown up (the children) we just grow a large vegetable garden to feed ourselves. Selling hay was also profitable for us and the kids all learned to drive tractors and SAFELY run equipment.
Spider
 
   / Making money with land #125  
Reading through this thread makes me wonder how anyone has any food to eat. I think the first step is to feed your own family while reducing expenses. I met a 16 year old kid that was on fire for farming. His dad bought him an old tractor and he leased 40 acres to plant corn. It got overrun with Johnson grass and the crop failed. His solution was GMO corn and roundup. I don't know if that worked, but it seems to me that the seed and chemical companies make the profit on that. Until 1950 or so all food was "organic". I bought a market farming book written in 1893 and it talks about organic farming. I don't love everything about my garden, but I have become passionate about the food that I grow. From what I have read $15,000 an acre is a reasonable income for a market grower, and some so much better. It requires getting better at what you already do. Looking at the land out the window and expecting checks in the mail is not a good approach. Do something wrong long enough and you will get good at doing it right, but if there is no love in it, I don't see much hope for success.
 
   / Making money with land #127  
The most successful farmers I've seen of late are farming like the dope farmers do, in greenhouses with hydroponics, but they are growing tomato's, Kale, bell peppers, romain, and others to the local restaurants. One lady is making about 40k per year in four small 10'x20' greenhouses. She say's she does deliver to the restaurants on a daily basis and she does have to grow different items for different places. Her other thoughts on the way she farms is that it is nice not to have to fire up tractors to do most of the work, and growing inside allows her to grow year round without fear of droughts, floods, etc. She said she still has to deal with Aphids and such, but ladybugs and other predator bugs help take care of that.

Just seemed like a nice way to do it, but as someone else said, marketing is part of the equation as well.

Tad

Is 40k gross or net? We have 2 18x88ft hoop houses. It's unbelievable how much produce comes out of them. We're growing in the soil, not hydroponically, but I can definitely say that they don't each gross $20k/year. We grow premium produce and command a premium price, but still I'd guess they are closer to 8-10k annually.
 
   / Making money with land #128  
Since you are in Michigan, but I have no clue how close to Detroit, it is my understanding that there is a higher population of Muslims in the area. Around me, goats are HUGE with Muslim's for food. There is a guy around here who trucks them in for the 2 major religious holidays they have a year where almost all practicing muslims buy and eat goats. The thing is though they (the muslim) has to slaughter it themselves and they are supposed to be fed a natural diet. My old neighbor (end of 2012) was Muslim and he said his family would pay around $400 per goat and that there were thousands of families lined up, literally waiting hours for their turn to "get their goat". It was about a 45 minute drive to the place that brought them all in. I think the average is 7 goats per acre if you want the goats to be able to browse for all the feed they need (you do have to supplement some feed/grain, but our 2 dairy goats eat 4 cups each combined per day and they are a larger midsize breed of lamanchas @ about 80lbs each). If you figure you could easily sell 20 goats @ $400 each twice a year, that would be $16k. We got a pair of goats last year for the later Ramadan feast for our old neighbor and he gladly came out and paid the above mentioned price. He told me to tell me how many goats we could raise total and he would have a buyer for each one twice a year...... Hispanics are big time into goat meat as well. I know there have been problems in our region with goats being stolen.

My other suggestion would be to find what you could raise for your family to eat off of that 4 acres. We actively grow as much as we can year round to supplement our table. Highly satisfying to have 90lbs of chicken in our freezer from 15 meat birds, 300 plus ears of corn, jars of jelly, salsa, beans, potatoes, etc. My wife is a stay at home mom though and spends a lot time out there though. We have computed it out to be around $200 during winter, and closer to $250 in the summer that we save a month on groceries. We can raise meat chickens for about $1.75 a lb (we sell them to friends for about $5 per lb for a whole bird). Corn for $3 a dozen. Eggs for $2 a dozen. We aren't raking in cash, but we easily cover the cost for animal feed and are far beyond our recouped costs for the seeds for the garden and diesel for the tractor. Plus when you start giving away jam's/jellies/canned good for birthday present or the like, it further lessens the impact on your wallet and is a low cost solution with that touch of boutiqueness (my wife's made up wording) to a person that they aren't mad you just got them a pair of socks or a tie ;).....

To the chicken owners out there, $20 for a 50lb bag of food? We free range over about an acre (fenced in with our dairy goats) and have 14 chickens (13 layers, one rooster) We pay $11.95 for a bag of Nutrina layer feed, but we don't go through barely 50lbs in a month, they are constantly eating so many bugs, etc. We also throw all the table scraps out there; they are our garbage disposal.

So to the original poster, maybe the idea isn't how to make additional money to pay for what you need in life, but how to utilize the space you have to reduce how much you have to buy. It might come out the same to you in the end... unless you do the whole goat thing.
 
   / Making money with land #129  
i've got 4 high tunnels with a total of about 3300 sq ft under cover. i'm pretty satisfied if i can get a profit of $15k out of them for a year. in total not per house. this is with very labor intensive growing, selling at a farmers market, growing all year round, no heat or light inputs. growing in the winter is fun but unless you add light things grow very s l o w l y.
 
   / Making money with land #130  
JMER817, You are still getting a lot of posts from folks who are telling you what other people claim to be successfully doing. I am not saying they are all wrong, and there is a lot of good advice in many posts, but very few few of your advisers are actually running a place on which they rely upon to keep them alive.
 

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