2015 F150 Tow Test vs. Dodge and Chevy

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Here is a good article about the subject. Pretty much confirms what common sense will tell you.

2015 Ford F-150: How Much More Will the Aluminum Truck Cost to Insure and Repair?

Parts Costs: It’s a simple fact that raw aluminum costs more than raw steel, which leads one to believe that the F-150′s aluminum body parts will be more expensive than the outgoing model’s comparable steel parts. But Ford could decide to sell the parts at cost—or even at a loss—in order to meet its claim, or perhaps cost parity will be achieved simply due to the sheer number of pieces Ford will produce. For now, however, Ford’s parts site quotes a replacement 2004 F-150 hood—the first year that panel was rendered in aluminum as standard—at $1092.72; a steel unit for the older 2003 F-150 costs $647.

Repair Costs: We called the local body shop that handles many of our repairs, VCR Automotive, to see what kind of cost differential exists with aluminum versus steel. Unsurprisingly, we were told that fixing aluminum costs more. Independent shops like VCR tend to flat-out replace a dented/crumpled aluminum panel, since the properties of the metal make cleanly popping out dents difficult. It’s not a shocker that doing so adds dollar signs to repair bills. The F-150′s panels are riveted and glued in place, and that glue isn’t cheap: Our man from VCR says it costs “about $60 per packet,” and that he recently used five packets to repair both aluminum quarter panels on a damaged car. And that’s not even counting the extra labor involved. We were also told that insurance companies often try to pressure body shops into cheaper repairs, which means, if it’s possible, merely filling in the dent and then sanding and repainting the panel.

As for extreme damage to either the cab or the bed, VCR said it would probably just replace the whole of either, as welding aluminum patch panels into, say, a pickup bed’s forward bulkhead, requires a clean room to prevent contamination of the metal. And even getting panels can be tricky: Clean-room-equipped shops are pretty rare, and we were told that many manufacturers won’t even provide replacement aluminum body sections, as a precaution against contamination. (If aluminum is contaminated, it will corrode faster than normal.) What about small repairs, such as hail damage? We spoke with Dent Wizard, a national paintless dent-repair company, and were told that if an aluminum panel could be repaired (and not all can be), customers are levied a 25-percent upcharge for the effort. Dent Wizard also reiterated aluminum’s resistance to clean dent removal.
 
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Good information.

However, I am skeptical of the clean room requirement for welding. I work in the aircraft industry and I have seen many many welded assemblies used in manufacturing. None of these were welded in a clean room and I think we are pretty picky about corrosion.

Maybe it's all in the finishing process.
 
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I think the "Clean room" part refers to the room bring free of steel dust as iron oxide (ie: rusted steel dust) and aluminum dust make thermite...
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Aaron Z
 
   / 2015 F150 Tow Test vs. Dodge and Chevy #124  
Good information.

However, I am skeptical of the clean room requirement for welding. I work in the aircraft industry and I have seen many many welded assemblies used in manufacturing. None of these were welded in a clean room and I think we are pretty picky about corrosion.

Maybe it's all in the finishing process.

I think axzclan is probably right about this. Bascially you need a separate area/welder/tools/argon etc to not get cross contamination with steel grinding and welding. Welding aluminum is simply much different than welding steel and for many bodyshops probably not worth the trouble to get setup and train employees versus just repalcing panels with rivets and glue.

Like most things it looks like there are some advantages and disadvantages. If the hood alone is 300-500 dollars more it's pretty easy to figure at least a couple thousand dollars or more for all the body panels being aluminum. So since Ford only increased the cost of the truck $400 they are either eating the additioanl cost or cutting costs in other areas, probably a combination of the two. But don't for a minute believe that changing the trucks over to aluminum sheet metal only adds $400 to the cost of the truck.
 
   / 2015 F150 Tow Test vs. Dodge and Chevy #125  
What type of aluminum we talking about?

Wait for the carbon reinforced hemp panels!

Get stoned when your engine overheats.
 
   / 2015 F150 Tow Test vs. Dodge and Chevy #127  
Greencarreports.com claims the 2.7L Eco boost will be rated at 325 HP and 375 ft-lbs torque.
 
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Will the 2.7 be the smallest engine ever put in a 1/2 ton truck?
 
   / 2015 F150 Tow Test vs. Dodge and Chevy #129  
Those familiar with body shops understand that they are very dusty locations, it's the nature of the beast. Sanding body filler and old paint creates lots of dust. The use of air tools stirs it up. Pretty much every body shop will have two areas for painting a car, one for doing the prep work like masking and taping and the initial surface prep and a second for the actual painting of the car. When they say a clean room what they are talking about is a room that's separated from the other dusty areas. Also while aluminum dust isn't the worst thing for the human body it is a concern that body shops will have to take into account. Not just health issues but some cleaning solutions and chemicals used for painting could react with aluminum dust.

Personally I see aluminum as a stepping stone to composites. I would expect (using diamondpilot's analogy about planes) that just as commercial aircraft are starting to make the transition so will the auto industry. But that's a whole new subject.
 
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Those familiar with body shops understand that they are very dusty locations, it's the nature of the beast. Sanding body filler and old paint creates lots of dust. The use of air tools stirs it up. Pretty much every body shop will have two areas for painting a car, one for doing the prep work like masking and taping and the initial surface prep and a second for the actual painting of the car. When they say a clean room what they are talking about is a room that's separated from the other dusty areas. Also while aluminum dust isn't the worst thing for the human body it is a concern that body shops will have to take into account. Not just health issues but some cleaning solutions and chemicals used for painting could react with aluminum dust.

Personally I see aluminum as a stepping stone to composites. I would expect (using diamondpilot's analogy about planes) that just as commercial aircraft are starting to make the transition so will the auto industry. But that's a whole new subject.

Both of my Saturn's had composite body panels.

Chris
 

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