Ford Motor Company Did or Didnt take bailout money???

[MossRoad]

There, logically put. The fact is GM did this, no one did it for them.

I still disagree about the bailouts bringing the suppliers down. The company I worked for supplied parts to about every manufacture. My fathers company supplied 80 plus manufactures. Neither of us worried about our jobs but did have to make concessions.

Chris

Unfortunately, there's a lot of suppliers that are tied to one or two large customers. Not just the automotive industry.

 

[MossRoad]

Some more than others....

 

[coobie]

Wow! I never said more moving parts did not have the potential to have more chance of failure. Read before you open your mouth. I said they have became very reliable.

You really are foolish if you don't believe these turbo motors of today are not built from the ground up with turbo charging in mind. It's not 1980 and it's been proven that simply bolting a turbo on is not a good idea.

Chris

Chris,he should know since he owns a 2007 dodge cummins TURBO diesel from his previous posts.I also owned and sold my 2004 dodge 5.9 cummins turbo diesel that was very dependable.That is why he is on my Ignore list,LOL

 

[JJZ 109]

Now you are claiming turbocharged engines are just as reliable/dependable as naturally aspirated? Should have brought my waders today as it's getting pretty deep in here.

With more moving parts to fail and pushing the engine beyond what it is capable of if naturally aspirated it is obvious that there is more potential for failure in the turbocharged engine. Simply having the turbo bolted to the engine is one more item to fail that the naturally aspirated motor does not have. Myth busted.

Myth busted by one person's simple statement? Really? Millions of turbo diesel owners (myself included) would dispute the above generalization.

Chris,he should know since he owns a 2007 dodge cummins TURBO diesel from his previous posts.I also owned and sold my 2004 dodge 5.9 cummins turbo diesel that was very dependable.That is why he is on my Ignore list,LOL

Right Coobie. How many Cummins such as your old one, Ford (International) 7.3 Power Strokes and many Duramax engines are turbo and get several hundred thousand miles on them? Quite a few, I would wager.

 

[QRTRHRS]

If I understand what these posts are about, here is my take. Far to many people driving a diesel powered vehical have not a clue. Turbo equiped vehicles need a few minutes to cool down so the oil does not "cook" while sitting in those hot turbo bearings. Nor should one be on that throttle so heavy until the engine has properly warmed. The "Dodge boys" need to understand that the Dodge Cummins is not a sleeved engine. (Not that it would make that much of a difference) but don't let the danged thing idle no matter how cool it sounds to you.

 

[PoorMansCat]

Wow, didnt know it was gonna end up here when I ran across and posted that article.
IMHO, while there are differences between a bailout and a loan, i think we can all agree that all three manufacturers have borrowed our tax dollars at one point or another.
Not sure how we ended up on turbocharging of modern engines. Before making such general statements on turbocharging, you need to seperate the subjects into gasoline and diesel. Making such a general statement about comparing the ECOBOOST to a 7.3L isnt right.
Turbochargers for diesels are generally reliable. There are some specific units in some applications that have a higher failure rate than others. I do not know about the 6.0 turbo specifically, but I have first hand experience with the 6.7L C&C turbocharger and it has an extremely high failure rate.
Any engine that is subjected to aftermarket programming/modifications should always be excluded from rating a factory trubochargers durability as they are usually operating outside of their designed shaft speed and/or drive pressure.
The days of idling down a turbochager on modern diesels is quickly becoming a thing of the past. Most all turbochargers on modern diesel engines have coolant passages in the cartridge to help shed heat after shutdown. Gone are the old oil cooled only turbocharger cartridges.

 

[mikehaugen]

Wow, didnt know it was gonna end up here when I ran across and posted that article.

Are you truly surprised?

 

[Pixguy]

Are you truly surprised?

The first sentence to post #2 pointed out what was gonna happen. Very predictable.

My 3.5 EB rocks!

 

[DarkBlack]

The first sentence to post #2 pointed out what was gonna happen.

:laughing: Usually a prelude to a "Is synthetic oil...."

 

[JJZ 109]

I am a Ford man, plain & simple. But the bottom line is that anyone who posts is going to have a link to support their thoughts. Therefore, we can all have our own idea and find something out there to back it up.
Some will call it a bailout. Some will call it a loan. Some will say money came from the EPA for pollution issues. I'm thinking that in the end, none of the posters here will really have a definitive answer.
Use your own experiences from whichever vehicle and form your own opinion. Spend your money as you see fit. If you think that you'll get the solution from the geniuses from TBN (myself included), you will have information that is exactly worth what you paid for it.