Comparison Kioti or Mahindra, new holland

[TomSeller]

Most people here seem to like the hyrostatic. The Mahindra dealer says they give costly problems.

The Mahindra guy would have lost my confidence as soon as he said this.

I say go for the Kioti shuttle of those choices unless you are really into fine control loader work. Then go with the McCormick. Kioti is the best value and would be my choice.

 

[arrow]

Ok guys my tractor search is coming to a end soon. Hopefully tomorrow Ill be purchasing a tractor. So here are my final choices with prices. I may of earlier got some of the prices mixed up so here is the latest update to which I am narrowed down. Let me know what you think.

1. McCormick x1050h with loader and woods backhoe bh80x and a canopy. $32000. 0 percent financing for 60 months. .09 for 72 and 84 months. This tractor is hydrostic 49 hp.

2. Kioti 5410 with loader and backhoe and canopy. Must take demo with industial tires. $28000. They are willing to give 4000 trade for my Ford 5000 Tractor That makes the total $24000. I took the 8 N off the table. Financing for this unit will be 5 percent for 84 months. This tractor is 45 Hp with shuttle shift

3. Mahindra 5010 with loader, back hoe and canopy. I can pick either type of tires. $28750. They are giving 4000 trade for the Ford 5000. Makes the total 24750. Financing 5 percent for 84 months. This tractor is a 49 Hp with Gear shift 9 fwd and 3 reverse.

The Mahindra out specs the other 2 tractors.
The Kioti is the least expensive
Most people here seem to like the hyrostatic. The Mahindra dealer says they give costly problems. But he can't offer one in that compares to the McCormick. My wife really is ready for me to end my tractor search. Please give your input on which of these deals you would pick and Why.

My uses are bush hogging. Finish mowing. Driveway grading, diging up stumps. digging for field lines and etc.

My vote goes to the Kioti. (and I think you mean the 4510) Here's why: 1. It is it's own company. No fear of a company that is out sourcing it's tractor builds jumping ship 5 or 10 years down the road. The Mahindra is made by TYM and how long will that contract last? The McCormick is made by whom; Kioti or Landini? 2. It's a well made machine with a proven track record. 3. It's got a shuttle shift which makes use fast and mindless and all available hp is at your bidding. 4. Pricing is competitive. 0% is not always what it is cracked up to be in the long run. 5. It's got the tires you want for your use. Now, I've got a question or two for you making mine and all other recommendations possibly useless. 1. Does this machine and you make for a good fit meaning is it's layout and operation to your liking? 2. Is it enough tractor for how you plan to use a tractor? You are going to own this thing for a long time. Every time you jump on it you should be looking forward to it's use and not fretting about what you should have done. I am not sure you have not already formulated in your own mind about what you want and looking for some type of confirmation about your possible decision by asking others what you should be getting. Of course,nothing is wrong with that but people are going to give you a possible biased opinion. I know mine is as I cannot stand the hydro tractors for the constant whine, the rpm's and my disaffiliation as to counter intuitive manipulation of the tractor. Those may or may not have anything to do with your use for the tractor or how it fits you. To me, those are the two most important things about a tractor purchase and even more important than pricing IMO. The last part of this is the dealership itself and how they stand up for their customers when life throws a tractor monkey wrench. A lot of people never see the dealership again but if you want to gamble and not care about that aspect, that is up to you. Nothing you mention as far as usage can be that taxing to a tractor that is being operated correctly. Anyone of them will do the jobs you mention but...how large are the stumps? Is there a lot of them? How many lines will you need to run? How deep will they need to be made? How large is the area you are going to bush hog and mow? All of these factors begin to tell a person what they need. From the limited explanation of use, I believe the Kioti fills the bill the best.

 

[TSO]

Hydrostatic is a proven system... it will likely survive the life of the tractor without needing expensive repairs. That Mahindra dealer is probably saying that because he wants that unit sold cause that's what he has present (my guess) ... I would still highly recommend hydrostatic. The negative with hydro is that it robs some of your PTO horsepower (because the engine is also spinning the main hydraulic pump) but really, for the uses you describe, that won't be a concern.

If the price was identical (between the Kioti and McCormick) I'd go with whichever dealer you prefer. But, are you referring to the Kioti nx4510? You wrote 5410 ... the nx series is a tier4, and will have added emissions equipment.

That McCormick (x1050h) is a DK50 (tier 3 model) so it won't have the tier 4 emissions. Also, I believe the "h" in the model refers to hydrostatic, which may explain why it's a little more expensive. My guess...

Also, I wouldn't worry about the McCormick and long term support, even if McCormick stops buying Daedong tractors to rebadge. They'll still be required to honor warranty claims in the warranty period, and then you'll be able to get long term support from a Kioti dealer if need be, same as Kioti.

 

[tractormans]

It is a 4510

I have 10 acers, Also a 1 acer pond I want to slowly fill in. just your typical septic and house plumbing.

comparing the financing the mccormick is 60 month 0 percent 94 at .9 so its monthly payments at 84 months is 393.22 with nothing down. $10000 down makes it 270. AT the 393.22 a month after 7 years i pay a total of 33000. And I sell my tractor for between 4000 and 6000.

Kioti is 4.75 nothing down with 24000 it is 336.4 a month. $10000 takes it to 196.23 At 336.4 a month after 7 years I pay 28257.

Just wanted to show you my payment figures to see what you thought.

 

[tractormans]

Hydrostatic is a proven system... it will likely survive the life of the tractor without needing expensive repairs. That Mahindra dealer is probably saying that because he wants that unit sold cause that's what he has present (my guess) ... I would still highly recommend hydrostatic. The negative with hydro is that it robs some of your PTO horsepower (because the engine is also spinning the main hydraulic pump) but really, for the uses you describe, that won't be a concern.

If the price was identical (between the Kioti and McCormick) I'd go with whichever dealer you prefer. But, are you referring to the Kioti nx4510? You wrote 5410 ... the nx series is a tier4, and will have added emissions equipment.

That McCormick (x1050h) is a DK50 (tier 3 model) so it won't have the tier 4 emissions. Also, I believe the "h" in the model refers to hydrostatic, which may explain why it's a little more expensive. My guess...

Also, I wouldn't worry about the McCormick and long term support, even if McCormick stops buying Daedong tractors to rebadge. They'll still be required to honor warranty claims in the warranty period, and then you'll be able to get long term support from a Kioti dealer if need be, same as Kioti.

The Kioti is a ds4510. Tier 3. Your could be right about the mahindra dealer. Ill keep that in mind. Kioti dk50se is 31500 with zero financing but NO Back hoe. Backhoe adds another 7 or 8 thousand.

 

[TSO]

Just remember, the DS is more like a budget machine, way less features than the DK/McCormick models... I'd definitely opt for the McCormick with those prices in mind.

 

[tractormans]

Just remember, the DS is more like a budget machine, way less features than the DK/McCormick models... I'd definitely opt for the McCormick with those prices in mind.

right now I leaning mccormick....

 

[GManBart]

Most people here seem to like the hyrostatic. The Mahindra dealer says they give costly problems. But he can't offer one in that compares to the McCormick.

My uses are bush hogging. Finish mowing. Driveway grading, diging up stumps. digging for field lines and etc.

For your uses, any of the machines in question have enough power, so that isn't a factor. They also all have more than enough 3pt lift, and FEL capacity. That really narrows it down the transmission choice, and price.

The Mahindra dealer is totally full of it when he says hydrostatic transmissions give costly problems. Further, shuttle shift transmissions like the one on the Kioti are extremely reliable.

Either HST or a shuttle shift is a huge advantage over a straight manual transmission on the Mahindra when you factor in your intended uses. I'm mowing with a straight gear machine right now, and it really is a pain compared to HST or SS.

 

[paulfun9]

I would go spend some time running both the Kioti and the McCormic around the dealerships lot. Not just a simple ride around the lot but run like you were working it a little if possible then decide based on your feel of the machines.
For me the final factor for my going with the DK and paying slightly more was the comfort I had when running it. It just fit me and even the wife could tell that I was more comfortable on board it than the others I was considering. For me the little extra in the price tag became a small amount when I considered all the years I spent being uncomfortable on the old machine.

True shuttle or HST for the work described would in my opinion take the Mahindra out of the picture and even if it is still a contender for some reason you should compare the cost of it to a TYM as they build it for Mahindra anyway and from my experience the TYM was a lot less expensive than the Mahindra

 

[MtnViewRanch]

The TYM built Mahindra 10 series tractors, compared to the equivalent TYM model is sort of like comparing the Kioti DS series to the DK series.

Deluxe vs economy. I am a Mahindra guy, have 2 of them, 1 shuttle and 1 HST. I would not purchase the Mahindra model that you have been considering. :no:

Just my :2cents: