How much power, force ......

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loves80z

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I purchased a 1970 john deere 2520 from my mother in law. I've been lurking here ever since. I have build capability with steel and tools avaliable. I am an engineer by trade. Been designing factory automation for 20 years. I am a numbers guy. I do not accept "looks right" very well. I keep asking myself " how do i know my forces involved when 9 build an implement for my tractor" I found a document i wanted to share that gives me a starting point. 404 - File or directory not found., Draft, and Traction.pdf
 
   / How much power, force ...... #2  
Find the maximum torque rating for your engine. Multiply that by the drive ratio in your lowest gear, that's the maximum torque the drive wheels can exert. Multiply by the radius of the drive wheels and you get the maximum drive force the wheels can exert. It's probably significantly overstated but it's a starting point for calculations.
 
   / How much power, force ...... #3  
Find the maximum torque rating for your engine. Multiply that by the drive ratio in your lowest gear, that's the maximum torque the drive wheels can exert.

Multiply by the radius of the drive wheels

and you get the maximum drive force the wheels can exert. It's probably significantly overstated but it's a starting point for calculations.

Hmmmm. So bigger wheels = more drive force? I think you need to divide, not multiply.

Prehaps you were thinking of speed, not torque.
 
   / How much power, force ...... #8  
As a Civil Engineer I did plenty of force calculation scenarios in my career so I can help.

You need to account for all the worst case scenarios you might encounter and then design for those and add safety factors.
Then its a calculator festival to calculate all the forces and strength of materials to finally arrive at some concrete numbers.

What implement do you want to start with?
We can go through it together here for all to learn.

I'm no tractor expert but many others here can surely think of worse case scenarios that we did not think of.

Just some things to consider, for safety reasons you don't necessarily want your implement to be the strongest possible thing on your tractor.

For example, do you want your loader bucket to be so strongly (heavily) built so you could take out a bank safe, but it will be so heavy your rear wheels
will come off the ground and spin uselessly. Do you add more rear weight to correct for that, and then find your front axles failing under load.
Make one thing stronger and something else will break, you have to choose what you want failing first to save the more expensive parts.
Its all compromises so you have to design accordingly.

Now for those that are not engineering types, the "looks about right" trial and error based on experience, is a legit method as well.
That's why you need to be a good welder, if its too weak you can always add some reinforcement.
You just have to be extra cautious and expect your home made stuff to fail until you have proven its up to the task.
 
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HP and ground speed are the factors. Eliminate gearing and tire size in one shot and skip to ground speed. Some tractors only list pto hp. This paper estimates hp at the dirve as a factor of the pto HP. Also consider soil conditions. Then factor requirements based on per foot of implement width.
 
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jb
For simplicity sake I was thinking a box blade. First would be the rippers and cross members. One reason I default to engineering is because that is what I do every day. The other is because I have no practical tractor or farm experience. And yes.....being able to weld ad a back door is always helpful.
 

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