Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on?

   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #71  
I've got almost 300,000 miles on my 02 Silverado 2500 hd brakes. I bought the truck with 70,000 miles and I assume they were the original brakes.

Sorry, but 25.7 million faulty GM brake line rusting vehicles, and I had the misfortune of owning one.

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“In particular, our 2003 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD 4WD pickup truck…experienced hydraulic brake failure at 51,848 miles due to corroded brake lines bursting. The lines burst in an area that was weakened by corrosion and field under normal usage and brake line pressure. There was no indication to the driver that failure was eminent and only fate precluded any injury, as the vehicle was traveling slowly with a load of hay in the bed.”
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #72  
I am 250 miles away from 300k on my 2003 2500HD 4x4 and though I don't have all of the service records on this truck, the brake lines appear to be original. There are many reasons I moved back home to Texas, this is just another one.
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #73  
As told by a senior mechanic for a Chevy dealer who recently retired. The way things are done now is this.. They want people to take classes in all kinds of things to learn how to repair anything and everything themselves..thus you are spending MONEY! However every year of couple of years the manufactures Change the connectors, bolts etc, intentional design stuff so that it is a pain in the *** to work on yourself. Thus you are forced to take it in or pay out the arse of specialized tools. All in the name of YOU spending MORE MONEY!. He gave two awesome examples: one why change the way carbs on chainsaws are adjusted by changing the normal screw setting to something that required a specialized tool? The other was my 99 Silverado with a COMPANY admitted Sunshield and Valve body issue in the tranny. Which was almost a promise to pop at 123,000 miles. When mine did I was bound to change it myself. Via a friend I found one from a wreck new model truck..identical except.. a blasted chip inside that was going to cost to much to have swapped or reprogrammed. So I got the money back from the new one. Took the old one to a well known rebuilder in Statesville NC and had it rebuilt with the best recommended parts. I got this in written,, the only issue I had was a valve body issue of shifting . I got it in writing what I wanted done..cost $3200.. 2 weeks ago the Sunshield shatter..popping the planetary gears... I know the Office personal there..so I contacted her to look up the parts ordered for mine.. She discovers that mine has just past the 2 year warranty...but they did not install what the said they did..the original Sunshield and Planetary gears were reused..now they are dealing with it because they just cost themselves MORE MONEY!!! bwhahahahhaha
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #74  
I have replaced all the lines on our 2003 2500HD, some twice. Where I live it is common place though. Most vehicles over 7or 8 years old either have some replaced or some that are ready to blow at any moment due to rust.
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #75  
I prefer a car with all mod cons, stability control, all wheel drive and so on, but the car I have the most affection for was my first one and a pleasure to work on. No need to know much before going at it, just open something up and it was pretty self evident. Last thing I did was to remove the head to grind the valves, doing it under a street light with snow coming down was the hardest part. It was a 1936 Austin, I forget the model, It wasn't a collectors item costing about $50, but I gave it a coat of house paint to make it look sharp. Rod brakes, flapper arms for direction indicator, and a crank to get it started, the rear doors opened to the rear, very easy to keep running. I had it for several years eventually giving it to someone at work. His only complaint was that the steering wheel came off one day when he was driving it.
This was some time ago when I was a bit younger.
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #76  
I have replaced all the lines on our 2003 2500HD, some twice. Where I live it is common place though. Most vehicles over 7or 8 years old either have some replaced or some that are ready to blow at any moment due to rust.
I'm on my fourth fuel pump. That's the only sore spot on this truck with me.
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #77  
This is like the old, "Should we clean house or just move and be done with it" house cleaning talk. I just changed plugs on my '02 F150 5.4 engine! Whew, wha' a nightmare! But, I finally got'er done. 104,000 on them, they were fine, but due for new plugs. Now I'll do my '93 Dakota 3.9 V6. Take me about 20 minutes.

But really, for me, I'd keep me vehicles even longer if they weren't so hard to work on. That's one reason I still have me Dakota, plus, that thing has been an excellent truck!

Be glad your ford wasn't a few years newer! The 3 valve Tritons are much more of a nightmare. The plugs in your engine are known to blow out of the heads, taking the threads with them. So they redesigned them. Now you can't get them out. The plugs break off in the heads, leaving the steel threaded shank, porcelain, or combination of both down in the hole. Requiring special tools for removal, and sometimes pulling the heads. Try explaining to a customer that their tune-up is going to cost them thousands of dollars! This was a big oops for Ford. They only ran the plugs for a few years and redesigned them again.
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #78  
CowboyRon, I certainly hope your truck is gasoline? If its diesel, you've got issues putting 4 pumps on it, haha. It has no transfer pump unless aftermarket, only a very expensive high pressure pump.

So assuming its gasoline, yes gm truck fuel pumps are notoriously bad. Check the ground, its under a bolt on top of the frame right by the tank, near where the filler neck goes over it. It must be very clean. And what brand are you using on the pumps? Over the years I've probably had the least problems with Delphi pumps, although I think they are probably the most expensive. (I hope you don't say your using Delphi pumps). Hope this may help you avoid pulling the tank so much in the future.


And to the gentleman a few pages back that said he prefers the dealership:
I'm certainly glad you've found a mechanic that works for you! You must have better dealerships in your area. I've never heard anyone utter those words. Around here, and any other place I've been, it is the complete opposite. The dealer is always the last place you want to go. They usually want to oversell services, add on extra parts, and lots of times don't fix the problem you brought it in for. In my area, they are my best friend. I get disgruntled customers from them all the time! I hope they don't do the same to you. Perhaps its a regional thing and its just local to my area

Man, you guys with the rust.... thats depressing. I'm never moving! I couldn't deal with that. I hate getting cars in with rust problems. And I rarely see them, only every few months or so, someone traveling through
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on? #79  
CowboyRon, I certainly hope your truck is gasoline? If its diesel, you've got issues putting 4 pumps on it, haha. It has no transfer pump unless aftermarket, only a very expensive high pressure pump.

So assuming its gasoline, yes gm truck fuel pumps are notoriously bad. Check the ground, its under a bolt on top of the frame right by the tank, near where the filler neck goes over it. It must be very clean. And what brand are you using on the pumps? Over the years I've probably had the least problems with Delphi pumps, although I think they are probably the most expensive. (I hope you don't say your using Delphi pumps). Hope this may help you avoid pulling the tank so much in the future.

And to the gentleman a few pages back that said he prefers the dealership:
I'm certainly glad you've found a mechanic that works for you! You must have better dealerships in your area. I've never heard anyone utter those words. Around here, and any other place I've been, it is the complete opposite. The dealer is always the last place you want to go. They usually want to oversell services, add on extra parts, and lots of times don't fix the problem you brought it in for. In my area, they are my best friend. I get disgruntled customers from them all the time! I hope they don't do the same to you. Perhaps its a regional thing and its just local to my area

Man, you guys with the rust.... thats depressing. I'm never moving! I couldn't deal with that. I hate getting cars in with rust problems. And I rarely see them, only every few months or so, someone traveling through

Yes my truck is gasoline, my first fuel pump lasted 150,000 miles. The other 2 were from AutoZone and I changed them out due to my fuel gauge acting erratic.
This last time I bought the Delphi pump at a very good price from Amazon.
I got really good at changing them, I would use my front end loader to lift the bed and have easy access to the gas tank.
 
   / Why are "newer" vehicles so hard to work on?
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Yes my truck is gasoline, my first fuel pump lasted 150,000 miles. The other 2 were from AutoZone and I changed them out due to my fuel gauge acting erratic.
This last time I bought the Delphi pump at a very good price from Amazon.
I got really good at changing them, I would use my front end loader to lift the bed and have easy access to the gas tank.

How hard is it to remove the bed?
 

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