Oil Drops over 30% since summer, now what?

   / Oil Drops over 30% since summer, now what? #91  
Canada can do all the trading it wants out of NGX, but notice where all the points of delivery are.

The only people trading in Loonies are the Cannooks themselves.

The Chinese actually own a substantial chunk of the oilsands, and in the next two years there will be a new pipeline to a terminal on the BC coast, where semi refined crude will go directly west.

And FWIW the US gets preferential rates on our oil already, at rates below market value.
 
   / Oil Drops over 30% since summer, now what? #92  
The Chinese actually own a substantial chunk of the oilsands, and in the next two years there will be a new pipeline to a terminal on the BC coast, where semi refined crude will go directly west.

And FWIW the US gets preferential rates on our oil already, at rates below market value.

By preferential prices, you mean the price difference between West Texas Intermediate and Brent, right?

The price difference has to do with delivery, not preferential treatment.
 
   / Oil Drops over 30% since summer, now what? #93  
People are already using less fuel as the population ages. We have an aging population that is putting more money into their homes than into other discretionary things, while creating shedloads of part-time McJobs so as to avoid paying healthcare, thereby lowering younger workers incomes, delaying their own family and house formation while telling the immigrant workers we desperately need to support our economy that we don't want them. In a few years, we'll see the boomer generation get stuck in that big house nobody wants anymore and we'll see yet another housing crash as housing falls to mean again around the actual cost of building. The boom will be building elderly living and assisted living as people move from 4,000 sq ft McMansions to 2500 sq. ft Townhomes, to 300 sq ft nursing homes to 20 sq ft burial plots.

Demographics are a big concern here. In 2013 deaths exceeded births in Maine. A hospital further north is shutting down their birthing section due to lack of business.

Not many McMansions in these depressed rural areas but there are plenty of perfectly good homes for sale in the $80K to $150K range that have no buyers, so the net effect is the same, and proportional to net worth so is the economic hurdle it poses to the current owners.

Maine has the oldest average age among all states and climbing. Accordingly, we rank at or near the top for the percentage of the state economy that is driven by things like Social Security, retirement benefits, and the various Federal support programs.

Current policies and choices being made in many spheres run counter to that reality. I do think we need immigration to breathe some life into our local economy. Or we can watch local business activity and jobs be hollowed out by a lack of customers while we continue the youth and brain drain. People here need to accept that the golden age of paper making and high value timber products is largely over and they need to make some realistic choices if they want to get out of the downward economic spiral.

It is interesting to contemplate what Maine will look like 20-40 years on if that spiral continues but I don't have any solid ideas about that. I suspect the attraction of Maine summer weather and coastal cachet will continue and probably grow the second/third? home market, but I don't think Martha Stewart will be moving to Industry, Maine anytime soon. :laughing:
 
   / Oil Drops over 30% since summer, now what? #94  
By preferential prices, you mean the price difference between West Texas Intermediate and Brent, right?

The price difference has to do with delivery, not preferential treatment.

It has to do with the fact that tar sands crude does not meet the definition of crude oil, 'in the format that it is shipped'. Tar sands trades at a discounted WTI price as a result.
 
   / Oil Drops over 30% since summer, now what? #95  
It has to do with the fact that tar sands crude does not meet the definition of crude oil, 'in the format that it is shipped'. Tar sands trades at a discounted WTI price as a result.

We don't get as much product out of tar sands.
 
   / Oil Drops over 30% since summer, now what? #96  
Demographics are a big concern here. In 2013 deaths exceeded births in Maine. A hospital further north is shutting down their birthing section due to lack of business.

Not many McMansions in these depressed rural areas but there are plenty of perfectly good homes for sale in the $80K to $150K range that have no buyers, so the net effect is the same, and proportional to net worth so is the economic hurdle it poses to the current owners.

Maine has the oldest average age among all states and climbing. Accordingly, we rank at or near the top for the percentage of the state economy that is driven by things like Social Security, retirement benefits, and the various Federal support programs.

Current policies and choices being made in many spheres run counter to that reality. I do think we need immigration to breathe some life into our local economy. Or we can watch local business activity and jobs be hollowed out by a lack of customers while we continue the youth and brain drain. People here need to accept that the golden age of paper making and high value timber products is largely over and they need to make some realistic choices if they want to get out of the downward economic spiral.

It is interesting to contemplate what Maine will look like 20-40 years on if that spiral continues but I don't have any solid ideas about that. I suspect the attraction of Maine summer weather and coastal cachet will continue and probably grow the second/third? home market, but I don't think Martha Stewart will be moving to Industry, Maine anytime soon. :laughing:

We have some of the same problems here in Michigan. We were the only state to lose population between 2000 and 2010. Even now, our growth rate is minuscule, some tiny fraction of 1%. Our local hospital shut down the birthing unit about 4 years ago. Our population is aging, we will be about Florida's level in a few years.
As far as economic development, all the politicians talk about is bringing manufacturing jobs back. 20 years ago, there was attempts to diversify the economy here, but they have apparently given up on that. Recently, the local paper reported that if our current job boom continued, we would get back to having 1/2 the jobs we had in 2000, by 2020. It will take 5 more years to get half way? That's a big hill to climb, and no guarantee that hiring will continue for 5 more years. We are short a lot of trades here, but nobody wants to train anybody, so very few apprentices. Manufacturing still sucks. They say they need workers, but only if they will work cheap, with zero bennies. We have quite a bit of construction here, but the biggest projects are for over 55 communities, assisted living, nursing homes, and condos. Very few single family homes, since you can buy an existing home cheaper than you can build it.

Folks here don't seem to be able to think of anything other than auto manufacturing. Inevitably, any discussion brings up Detroit as the "arsenal of democracy" during ww2. BFD, that was in my grandfathers day, and I am retired! One constant here seems to be to cut education. I don't see that as anything that improves the future.
 
   / Oil Drops over 30% since summer, now what?
  • Thread Starter
#97  
WTI & Brent are both down over 4% today. That's a big deal when your government depends on 75% of it's income from oil like Venezuela. There are some countries in big trouble right now. Russia has to be feeling this big time too even though they claim they aren't.

Kevin
 
   / Oil Drops over 30% since summer, now what? #98  
Don't think it's going to stop until it hits $40.
 
   / Oil Drops over 30% since summer, now what? #99  
Citibank is pumping out the break-evens of drilling operations. Thanks, Citi, we'll see whose debt ratio is scary and in need of rolling over, as shorting targets or at least a good bear raid.

401875d1418125087-oil-drops-over-30-since-citi-breakevens-png
 

Attachments

  • citi-breakevens.png
    citi-breakevens.png
    994.1 KB · Views: 187
   / Oil Drops over 30% since summer, now what? #100  
O
Demographics are a big concern here. In 2013 deaths exceeded births in Maine. A hospital further north is shutting down their birthing section due to lack of business.

Not many McMansions in these depressed rural areas but there are plenty of perfectly good homes for sale in the $80K to $150K range that have no buyers, so the net effect is the same, and proportional to net worth so is the economic hurdle it poses to the current owners.

Maine has the oldest average age among all states and climbing. Accordingly, we rank at or near the top for the percentage of the state economy that is driven by things like Social Security, retirement benefits, and the various Federal support programs.

Current policies and choices being made in many spheres run counter to that reality. I do think we need immigration to breathe some life into our local economy. Or we can watch local business activity and jobs be hollowed out by a lack of customers while we continue the youth and brain drain. People here need to accept that the golden age of paper making and high value timber products is largely over and they need to make some realistic choices if they want to get out of the downward economic spiral.

It is interesting to contemplate what Maine will look like 20-40 years on if that spiral continues but I don't have any solid ideas about that. I suspect the attraction of Maine summer weather and coastal cachet will continue and probably grow the second/third? home market, but I don't think Martha Stewart will be moving to Industry, Maine anytime soon. :laughing:


Maine is a absolutely beautiful state. It is however tough living for 7-8 out of 12 months. Give me the beauty of Maine in the summer ..12. Months a year. That would be paradise.
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2005 FREIGHTLINER COLUMBIA SLEEPER (A54313)
2005 FREIGHTLINER...
2023 Country Clipper Boulevard 54in Zero Turn Commercial Mower (A52377)
2023 Country...
2010 Ford Edge SE SUV (A51694)
2010 Ford Edge SE...
PENDING SELLER CONFIRMATION  READ BEFORE BIDDING (A55218)
PENDING SELLER...
2015 MACK ELITE LEU633 GARBAGE TRUCK (A51406)
2015 MACK ELITE...
2015 RAM 5500 Bucket Truck w/ Versalift SST40 boom -Cummins Diesel - Auto Trans- 4X4 - 72096 miles (A55218)
2015 RAM 5500...
 
Top