Strongest Korean brand

[k0ua]

I guess I am just too adaptable

 

[Katahdin]

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Then you have tractors made in India, Japan, and Korea. Tractors made in Japan are going to have a higher cost to build since Japanese companies have much higher operating costs than the other two (higher wages, and much higher costs to own land/factories). For that reason, the Japanese tractors should cost more for the same machine.

Korean companies aren't making the whole tractor. Take a look at this customer list that demonstrates Yanmar (japanese-made) drivetrain components are going into Kioti and Mahindra tractors.

Major Customers | About Us | Kanzaki Kokyukoki Mfg. Co., Ltd.
(Kanzaki is a Yanmar subsidiary)

TYMs are now using Yanmar engines as well.

Some of the Kioti engines are obvious copies of the Kubota engines. (look at the bore and stroke specs)

These are signs of weakness, IMHO. The Korean brands are assembling tractors, not engineering and manufacturing the whole kit and kaboodle like Japanese brands such as Kubota and Yanmar.

 

[jaydee325]

Korean companies aren't making the whole tractor. Take a look at this customer list that demonstrates Yanmar (japanese-made) drivetrain components are going into Kioti and Mahindra tractors.

Look at customer lists on websites with a grain of salt!

I've worked in the nuclear industry for over 30 years and still see the company I work for listed on vendor websites even though we have not done business with them for years.

 

[Katahdin]

Look at customer lists on websites with a grain of salt!

I've worked in the nuclear industry for over 30 years and still see the company I work for listed on vendor websites even though we have not done business with them for years.

Ok Bud, follow this link to a Kioti HST service manual and post back if it changes your mind.

www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/321997-ex35-ex40-ex45-ex50-hst.html

 

[GManBart]

Korean companies aren't making the whole tractor. Take a look at this customer list that demonstrates Yanmar (japanese-made) drivetrain components are going into Kioti and Mahindra tractors.

Major Customers | About Us | Kanzaki Kokyukoki Mfg. Co., Ltd.
(Kanzaki is a Yanmar subsidiary)

TYMs are now using Yanmar engines as well.

Some of the Kioti engines are obvious copies of the Kubota engines. (look at the bore and stroke specs)

These are signs of weakness, IMHO. The Korean brands are assembling tractors, not engineering and manufacturing the whole kit and kaboodle like Japanese brands such as Kubota and Yanmar.

Where did you get that engine information? It seems very dated. If you go look at the current line of Kioti machines, the engines bear no resemblance, to Kubota engines. The current NX line of CUTs all use 1.8L turbocharged engines. Kubota's engines with similar horsepower are around 2.4L....no similarity. In the smaller machines the sizes are closer, but there are only so many configurations you can come up with in a 1.3L (or similar sized) engine for a tractor.

It's funny that you suggest using Yanmar engines in other brands makes them less of a tractor manufacturer, and more of a tractor assembler. Deere has done that for years, and nobody suggests they just assemble tractors.

TYM, LS and Kioti are all engineering, and building their own tractors. Suggesting otherwise is silly, and makes it look like folks are just trying to justify their brand of choice.

In some models Korean brands have used engines from other companies, but that's pretty accepted practice throughout the industry. Further, most companies are sub-contracting many parts of their machines to companies that specialize....nobody makes their own glass anymore, or rubber hoses, or tires, etc, etc, the way Ford built everything on site 100 years ago. How many companies make their own loaders, or hydraulic cylinders, or transmissions now? Not many.

 

[GManBart]

Ok Bud, follow this link to a Kioti HST service manual and post back if it changes your mind.

www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/321997-ex35-ex40-ex45-ex50-hst.html

Big deal....Yanmar sources some of their mini-excavators from Kobelco. Very few companies make all of the machines they sell, and nobody makes all of the parts that go into their machines.

The newest agreement I've seen:

http://www.kobelco-usa.com/sites/ko...Kobelco expands OEM agreement with Yanmar.pdf

 

[TomSeller]

Where did you get that information? It seems very dated..

It says 2012 at the bottom

 

[GManBart]

It says 2012 at the bottom

I should have been more clear. I was asking about the comments he made about Kioti engines and Kubota engines, not the Yanmar major customer link.

 

[paulfun9]

Yes I should have put that (for You) in my post as that is the bottom line what you feel is the best for you. Funny thing is I felt the CK pedal was the worst of them as well.

 

[Katahdin]

Compare the Kubota and Kioti tractor/engine models that have a 83mm bore and a stroke of 92.4mm.

On the Kioti side I'm talking about the 4A200LWH engine found in the DK40. There may be others, I'm just picking this one.

This engine has the same bore and stroke as the engines found in the Kubota L 3200, 3800, and 4600s

That's the same engine displacement and internal piston movement down to a 10th of a millimeter, there can be no accidental coincidence of same internal combustion engineering.

Honestly I don't know which company or country came up with the bore and stroke first. You could say Kubota copied Kioti and I have no evidence to back it up, but lets be real, there is Japanese engineering and drivetrain components in most of these Korean brand tractors, and Japanese companies like Yanmar, Mitsubishi, and probably others are profiting from it. I'm did not say outsourcing drivetrain components to Japan makes a Korean tractor less of a tractor, but it does it play into the bigger picture when comparing brands and reading claims in threads like these that Korean tractors are built as good as Japanese brands and are cheaper to buy to boot.