Barn Cat?

[KiotiKowboy]

I grew up on a hog farm. Saw my Dad step into a pen with a sow and new litter many times. Grab the runt by the back legs and whack it's head against the nearest sturdy item, killing it and then throwing the lifeless body on the manure pile. One time my "city cousins" were visiting and witnessed this event. They both went to the house crying. I'm sure they were altered for life.

Point being sometimes action appears callous to one person and normal to another.

Soooooooo ... some will see beheading undesirable humans as "normal", while others will see it as being a tad "callous." OK then ....

No sir - there are standards of decency to which ALL should be held accountable.

 

[TomSeller]

No sir - there are standards of decency to which ALL should be held accountable.

I agree, I don't like to see any animal or human suffer. As the higher level of being on earth, we have the obligation to see to it that all animals we are responsible for do not suffer needlessly due to our inactions or actions.

 

[/pine]

Anyone that walked here... :laughing:

My point was is that the jury is still not in (and may never be) on who was actually here first...just because some "walked" (and stayed) here does not make them indigenous i.e., "native" or even being the first ones to "visit"...

There is strong evidence that some of the first migrations of humans into N.A. came from South and Central America...and not across the Bearing Land Bridge...Thus the adamant refusal of the current "native American' lobby to flat out ignore/deny forensic archaeological facts (and DNA) that proves that Mayans (and possibly Aztecs) may have ventured into N.A. long before the northern tribes/clans...

I am not disputing the atrocities against what are commonly referred to as "native Americans" the Europeans etc. brought on them...but IMO the treatment of the (native American) masses by their own leadership greatly over shadows said atrocities by white/European etc. "interlopers"...

N.A. Tribes today are raking in mega-billions of dollars via relaxed tax rights (casinos, tobacco etc.) etc....yet none of that money seems to reach their masses...the lower classes of a large percentage of contemporary native Americans are as or more indigent than any other minorities...

IMO...I think there should be an independent foundation/trust that should be responsible for the distribution of revenue generated by said tax/regulation/exemptions etc...IMO, the populations of current "native Americans" are being treated much worse today, under the power of their own people/leadership and is worse today or as bad as the treatment by early European etc. societies/establishments in the past...

 

[TomSeller]

My point was is that the jury is still not in (and may never be) on who was actually here first...just because some "walked" (and stayed) here does not make them indigenous i.e., "native" or even being the first ones to "visit"...

There is strong evidence that some of the first human migrations of humans into N.A. came from South and Central America...and not across the Bearing Land Bridge...Thus the adamant refusal of the current "native American' lobby to flat out ignore/deny forensic archaeological facts (and DNA) that proves that Mayans (and Aztecs) may have ventured into the S.E US long before the northern tribes/clans...

I am not disputing the atrocities against what are commonly referred to as "native Americans" the Europeans etc. brought on them...but IMO the treatment of the (native American) masses by their own leadership greatly over shadows said atrocities by white/European etc. "interlopers"...

N.A. Tribes today are raking in mega-billions of dollars via relaxed tax rights (casinos, tobacco etc.) etc....yet none of that money seems to reach their masses...the lower classes of a large percentage of contemporary native Americans are as or more indigent than any other minorities...

IMO...I think there should be an independent foundation/trust that should be responsible for the distribution of revenue generated by said tax/regulation/exemptions etc...IMO, the populations of current "native Americans" are being treated much worse today, under the power of their own people/leadership and is worse today or as bad as the treatment by early European etc. societies/establishments in the past...

I can't ague with the fact that in many (most if not all?) tribes the money is not reaching the ones intended by the US government's relaxed taxation and regulation. I don't believe that it is worse than intentional release of diseases for which they had no defenses. Whether or not the peoples that we now consider "native" were the first humans in NA is immaterial to the discussion IMHO.

 

[tcreeley]

Humans are animals, just like all of the other animals. Animals want to survive. Some do, some don't. Humans are efficient killers. They certainly have changed this planet - often for the worst.
There are degrees of responsibility that we are willing to accept as individuals. That's a personal choice. Farming is often about killing, as well as giving life to things. I'll mercy kill, but not for any other reason. I vowed as a kid watching my step father load up for the slaughterhouse, that I would never do this. The only animals we have are ones who will die on our property of natural causes. I like pork, beef but we will never own these animals because I don't want to be directly involved in their deaths. Our animals are part of our family- once we take it in - we don't turn around and sell it.
This is my way of doing things. I have no problem with others doing as they need to.
I just recognize that every living creature wants to survive as much as I do, cats included!

 

[ovrszd]

In the context of the thread, that would imply you find it normal to let a diseased cat run around for weeks until it croaks.

Sometimes "implied" action appears to be "normal" to one person and not normal to another. The obstacle this thread can't seem to get over is taking one liners and twisting them to fit our own individual ideas.

 

[ovrszd]

Soooooooo ... some will see beheading undesirable humans as "normal", while others will see it as being a tad "callous." OK then ....

No sir - there are standards of decency to which ALL should be held accountable.

Wow, that was a leap..... Putting a runt pig out of it's misery to beheading undesirable humans.

See what I mean about this thread taking quantum leaps over one liners.

 

[ovrszd]

Humans are animals, just like all of the other animals. Animals want to survive. Some do, some don't. Humans are efficient killers. They certainly have changed this planet - often for the worst.
There are degrees of responsibility that we are willing to accept as individuals. That's a personal choice. Farming is often about killing, as well as giving life to things. I'll mercy kill, but not for any other reason. I vowed as a kid watching my step father load up for the slaughterhouse, that I would never do this. The only animals we have are ones who will die on our property of natural causes. I like pork, beef but we will never own these animals because I don't want to be directly involved in their deaths. Our animals are part of our family- once we take it in - we don't turn around and sell it.
This is my way of doing things. I have no problem with others doing as they need to.
I just recognize that every living creature wants to survive as much as I do, cats included!

Well stated. I respect your statements. Just as you accept and respect other's choices. That's something this thread has been short of. Well stated.

 

[JSanders10]

Are we off topic enough yet?

Thanks guys for all the input, enough to know what I should and will do for the property, the farm house and barn.
Likely, I will get a couple spayed/neutered (not house) cats in the spring and let them do their job.

I was raised on a farm with indoor and barn cats, my main concern now was not being a full time resident at this farm and I think providing water and occasional food will suffice. I know there's enough rodent life to sustain the cats. I have a couple owls roosting occasionally in the barn, so I think I will also put in a couple owl houses for the longterm. If the owls enjoy the cats eventually, that's the chain of life, more-so than their being euthanized by the local shelter.

To the off-topic discussion... being raised where I was, I can handle mercy killings... been there/done that. Not my favorite thing to do but neither is seeing an animal suffer in pain with no hope of medical care. But that's not what this thread is about.

Thanks to all those who offered advice...

 

[ovrszd]

Oh my God,,,, is he suggesting that it's okay to feed his cats to the owls????