Long Term Care Insurance Recommendations?

   / Long Term Care Insurance Recommendations? #41  
....... Now you can believe what I am telling you as an Insurance professional, or you can believe someone else on here that don't even know what they are talking about.. The choice is yours.
The supplementary plans that you mentioned provide real value, unlike the rip off disease specific (i.e. "cancer insurance") plans, which are designed to prey on the poor who can't scratch up a few thousand dollars in a hurry.
 
   / Long Term Care Insurance Recommendations? #42  
By the way, as you near medicare age, you won't have any trouble finding contacts for opportunity's to buy a Medicare Supplement. Your mailbox will be full, and your phone will be ringing. If you want some other advice which I am sure will be refuted by the "experts" here, is to stay away form Medicare Advantage plans.. While they offer the siren song of low or even NO premiums they have deductibles that range from $3400 to $6700, and most will have copays as well. The worst Medicare Supplement I offer through Phsysicians Mutual has a Deductible of $2180 annually. This is the High deductible F plan. There are many other reasons to stay away from Medicare advantage plans I could name if you would like to know. Medicare Advantage plans (aka as Part C) seemed like a good idea when they first came out, and were a much better deal several years ago. But money has been pulled by CMS from the advantage plans to help fund Obama Care subsidies. We receive calls all of the time from advantage plan customers on how do I get back on original medicare and become eligible for a supplement.
The reason for this is with low or no premiums, everything is great right up to the time they become ill and need to use it. There is NO free lunch.

So to sum it up. Don't be afraid of Medicare, it will turn out for most people the best heath insurance they have ever had,. Get a good supplement, and you will be fine.
 
   / Long Term Care Insurance Recommendations? #43  
The supplementary plans that you mentioned provide real value, unlike the rip off disease specific (i.e. "cancer insurance") plans, which are designed to prey on the poor who can't scratch up a few thousand dollars in a hurry.

While I can't refute your excellent financial discipline in saving for a "rainy day". I will point out that scratching up a few tens of thousands of dollars is not in the cards for most people. While I have not sold any cancer policy's in my short career, my wife has sold many. And she has many testimonials of crying people who come to her thanking her for selling them a cancer policy after they or their loved ones have come down with cancer. And she herself benefited from her own cancer policy. If you have the discipline and the wherewithal to insure yourself that is fine. Most people don't. And telling a 60 year old that if they take that $30 a month in put it into a savings vehicle, in 20 years they will have what a specified disease policy will pay up front for a diagnosis for the covered disease is true, but what about the ongoing payments for each covered procedure? And just what is the chance this 60 year old will get a specified disease during this savings period? Pretty darn good. Most people find they can budget for and afford a reasonably price policy to offload this risk. The thing I object to the most if your trivializing the risk of getting Cancer in your "toe fungus" quip. The risk is Very high. I was not kidding about the 1 in 2 men and 1 in 3 women will get cancer before they die. As a family that has been touched by cancer (and most are) it struck me wrong.
 
   / Long Term Care Insurance Recommendations? #44  
While I can't refute your excellent financial discipline in saving for a "rainy day". I will point out that scratching up a few tens of thousands of dollars is not in the cards for most people.

"Scratching up a few tens of thousands of dollars" is hard for people in the early phases of their adult lives, but should definitely be in the cards for just about anybody nearing retirement age whose life hasn't taken a long series of unfortunate turns.

While I have not sold any cancer policy's in my short career, my wife has sold many. And she has many testimonials of crying people who come to her thanking her for selling them a cancer policy after they or their loved ones have come down with cancer. And she herself benefited from her own cancer policy.

I see tons of testimonials from people explaining what a great deal their appliance insurance, third-party auto warranty, or electronics "protection plans" are. That doesn't make it true. Let's try to make this a data-driven conversation instead of dealing in anecdotes.

If you have the discipline and the wherewithal to insure yourself that is fine. Most people don't. And telling a 60 year old that if they take that $30 a month in put it into a savings vehicle, in 20 years they will have what a specified disease policy will pay up front for a diagnosis for the covered disease is true, but what about the ongoing payments for each covered procedure?

If they're starting to save at 60, they're already doing it wrong. As for the ongoing payments for each procedure, that's what proper medical insurance is for. There is a lot of health insurance available that provides a fine value.

And just what is the chance this 60 year old will get a specified disease during this savings period? Pretty darn good. Most people find they can budget for and afford a reasonably price policy to offload this risk. The thing I object to the most if your trivializing the risk of getting Cancer in your "toe fungus" quip. The risk is Very high. I was not kidding about the 1 in 2 men and 1 in 3 women will get cancer before they die. As a family that has been touched by cancer (and most are) it struck me wrong.

I'm not trivializing the risk of cancer. Cancer is a horrible disease and I've seen a lot of people suffer because of it. But it's important to point out that while your chances of getting some type of cancer over your lifetime are high, the chances increase exponentially with age. That means that most people aren't at a significant risk until later in life when they should have had plenty of time to save for an emergency. Also, not all cancers are equally serious. A large majority of the cancers that make up those statistics are basal cell carcinomas or squamous cell carcinomas (skin cancers). As a matter of fact, skin cancer accounts for more cases of cancer than all of the other types combined. It is exceedingly rare for a skin cancer to spread to other parts of the body, the treatment is (relatively) simple, and the prognosis for a skin cancer patient is very good. My neighbor from when I grew up has had skin cancer removed at least a half-dozen times (About all I remember about her from when I was a kid was her laying out in the yard sunning herself constantly). My mother has had thyroid cancer. Neither of them have had costs any different than if they'd have been injured in a minor car accident.

I asked for real numbers that would allow you to demonstrate the value of the policies you're talking about a couple times, but you have conveniently neglected to provide them. That alone should be pretty telling.

You're right. I'm not an "insurance professional." But I am a scientist trained to make logical decisions based on evidence. Personal finance is a hobby of mine, so I also understand how to weigh the cost vs. the benefit of something like this. It would be easier to step out of this and let you "win," but I feel an obligation to make sure that people can see the other side of your pitch and make an informed decision.
 
   / Long Term Care Insurance Recommendations? #45  
The real world numbers vary by state and risk class. I cannot provide "real world" numbers that would hold up for you, nor can I sell in your state or make any solicitations or quotes. Contact YOUR insurance professional.
 
   / Long Term Care Insurance Recommendations? #46  
The real world numbers vary by state and risk class. I cannot provide "real world" numbers that would hold up for you, nor can I sell in your state or make any solicitations or quotes. Contact YOUR insurance professional.

I'm not asking for me. But if you're going to come onto a public forum and advocate this sort of coverage, you should be able to provide at least a reasonable approximation of the coverage a person would get for various premiums. You said around $1 per day earlier. I asked how much coverage someone would get for that and you didn't answer.

At what age would you recommend someone get cancer insurance? As I asked above, what would the approximate monthly premium be for an otherwise healthy couple in their early 50's for a policy that pays out a $50k lump sum upon a diagnosis of any type of cancer. Let's say they live in Branson, MO, if that helps.

You're being evasive every time someone asks for data. If the numbers supported your assertions, I suspect that you'd have provided them much earlier...
 
   / Long Term Care Insurance Recommendations? #47  
I think this discussion has moved to a point where we are asking whether it is better to have a disease specific policy (like cancer insurance) or to self insure with a health emergency fund.

Here is how I look at it. If my vehicle transmission fails suddenly, or my furnace dies, or I fall down and break my leg, a cancer insurance policy doesn't do squat for me. My emergency fund, however, will pay for any of these sudden expenses and if I get lucky and nothing happens, I spend the money on a trip to Hawaii.

Yes, carry real health insurance, auto and home insurance and maybe an umbrella policy if you have some assets to protect, but skip the frivolous policies and direct that money into your emergency fund.
 
   / Long Term Care Insurance Recommendations? #48  
Financial advisor explained the facts of life: If you or your partner need such costly treatment they well take EVERYTHING you have minus house and car and your social security.

Harry K

This is why you should have your home on a nice piece of land that is worth some money to hand down. My buddy's grandparents had to go thru this mess. They spent their bank account money on needed home improvements before the authorities took it. (Knowing that the home would be left to the heirs.) So they died pennyless after leading fruitful lives, but their home was able to be willed to their daughter.
 
   / Long Term Care Insurance Recommendations? #49  
I've been in the financial business for 20 years and have represented Northwestern Mutual for that duration. My recommendation to the OP would be to seek out an NM rep in your area who has been around a bit and have him review not just a specific product but your overall financial plan. Long term care is a piece of a much larger puzzle and must fit appropriately in order to function properly. This will take a bit of time as he/she will need to peek under the hood, so to speak, and also as you become comfortable with him in the process. It is vital to purchase LTC from a viable insurer.
 
   / Long Term Care Insurance Recommendations? #50  
I've been in the financial business for 20 years and have represented Northwestern Mutual for that duration. My recommendation to the OP would be to seek out an NM rep in your area who has been around a bit and have him review not just a specific product but your overall financial plan. Long term care is a piece of a much larger puzzle and must fit appropriately in order to function properly. This will take a bit of time as he/she will need to peek under the hood, so to speak, and also as you become comfortable with him in the process. It is vital to purchase LTC from a viable insurer.

Excellent words of wisdom. The larger picture must be taken into account.
 

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