JD 110 tlb vs. Kioti dk40

[jenkinsph]

The JD 4120 is listed at 3700 lbs plus 927 for the loader (400x) = just shy of 4800, you are correct.

The JD 110 tlb is listed at 7280 including integrated loader and BH.

So, that's about 2500lb difference, but includes the BH weight. I can't find the weight of the 110 BH attachment posted anywhere, but I doubt it's only 1300 lbs! The standard JD 485 3pt backhoe available on the 4x20 tractors weighs in at a tad over 1400 ... And it's a lot less of a BH than what's on the 110.

So that leaves at most 1100 lbs of a difference...I would definitely believe there is 1100lbs of extra metal between those two BH's and the integrated subframe.

A 110tlb with front bucket and backhoe is 7600 lbs approximately
A 110tlb with front bucket and box blade is 7200lbs approximately
The box blade weighs 1260lbs approximately.

From the 110tlb owners manual:
The backhoe weighs 1892lbs with 18" bucket ( add a few more lbs for quick attach.)
The backhoe weight without bucket is 1754lbs
Machine without loader bucket is 5165lbs
Loader overall weight including mast and sub frame is 833lbs
heavy duty loader bucket is 450lbs
multi purpose (4in1) loader bucket is 675lbs



It depends on the options you have but from above the base machine, heavy duty standard bucket and backhoe with 18" bucket is 7,507lbs. 5165+450+1892=7,507lbs.

The base machine, heavy duty standard bucket and box blade is 6,875lbs. 5165+450+1260=6,875lbs. Still have to add the 3ph parts, and other optional hydraulics weights.



I say approximately because there are options that can add weight.

 

[TSO]

A 110tlb with front bucket and backhoe is 7600 lbs approximately
A 110tlb with front bucket and box blade is 7200lbs approximately
The box blade weighs 1260lbs approximately.

From the 110tlb owners manual:
The backhoe weighs 1892lbs with 18" bucket ( add a few more lbs for quick attach.)
The backhoe weight without bucket is 1754lbs
Machine without loader bucket is 5165lbs
Loader overall weight including mast and sub frame is 833lbs
heavy duty loader bucket is 450lbs
multi purpose (4in1) loader bucket is 675lbs

It depends on the options you have but from above the base machine, heavy duty standard bucket and backhoe with 18" bucket is 7,507lbs. 5165+450+1892=7,507lbs.

The base machine, heavy duty standard bucket and box blade is 6,875lbs. 5165+450+1260=6,875lbs. Still have to add the 3ph parts, and other optional hydraulics weights.

I say approximately because there are options that can add weight.

Ok thanks for posting that... As usual, online figures are difficult to confirm.

Do you know if the axle ratings are beefed up compared to the standard 4x20 series?

It's a shame that they went with the 4120 engine instead of the 4520 or 4720... I'd be all over that machine like a fat kid on a Twinkie.

 

[jenkinsph]

TSO,
I should get off my butt and compare my 110 and 4520 front axles as I have heard the 110 is heavier but haven't verified this. I will see if I can compare the axle ratings and report back. The Yanmar 43hp engine has been a good trouble free and miserly on fuel power plant so far. I find I notice the engine lacking for road travel kind of slow but for backhoe operations I seldom run at rated speed. Same with the loader, at high rpms, very fast movements imo.

Some of the options I did not mention, skid plate big and heavy, stabilizer cylinder protectors all add weight.

 

[AKfish]

Ok thanks for posting that... As usual, online figures are difficult to confirm.

Do you know if the axle ratings are beefed up compared to the standard 4x20 series?

It's a shame that they went with the 4120 engine instead of the 4520 or 4720... I'd be all over that machine like a fat kid on a Twinkie.

My 110 has the full hydraulic package with hyd thumb. Stabilizer shields, belly-pan, wheel spacers. I have weighed it on a couple different trailers across the land-fill scales and it's +- 8,000lbs.

The front wheel planetary gear housing's are at least 25% larger than the front drive on the 4000 series tractors (I also have a cab, 4720). I haven't checked JDparts.com to verify part number differences between the tractors... But there is a very significant difference in the size of the gear housing's. Have to assume that the rear axle assemblies are different as well.

The engines in the 110 series have all been Yanmar's. They started out with the 4TNV84 @ 42Hp. Increased displacement sometime around 2005 - I believe. Last makes were 4TNV88 @ 43Hp.

JD literature has the 40x20 tractors @ 12gpm hydraulic output and the 110 has a 3rd pump for an output of 23.6gpm. When working the different tractors the speed and power of the hydraulics is "night and day"!

AKfish

 

[TomSeller]

I have a Case backhoe and a Kubota tractor with subframe backhoe. The Case lives most of its life as a feeder tractor where the quick FEL is appreciated and the add on 3 point round bale squeeze is optimum. Putting the backhoe on the Case is a PITA. The Kubota on the other hand comes on and off in 10 min. It digs half as fast (26 gpm vs 14 gpm pump), but considering the time it takes to mount, I am way ahead with the Kubota. None of this is serious digging. Bury a cow about 3 times a year, dig a hole here and there. Each time it takes a few minutes to remember the controls. It all depends on what you need in my opinion. For serious digging, you need an excavator anyway. You may be quite pleased with a backhoe frame mount to your Kioti and your pocketbook may be pleased as well. Beats a shovel and wheelbarrow any day. The 110 Deere is likely quicker than my larger Case to mount the backhoe, I can't comment on that.

 

[chuck172]

What can the 110 do better, easier, or faster than a comparably equipt Kioti 40DKSE? I didn't compare the hoe digging force, but the loader capacity is fairly close, The JD weighs in more, but not that much more. I have a 1971 Ford 4500 Industrial TLB. It is really a farm tractor with a loader and backhoe option minus the 3 point.

 

[AKfish]

What can the 110 do better, easier, or faster than a comparably equipt Kioti 40DKSE? I didn't compare the hoe digging force, but the loader capacity is fairly close, The JD weighs in more, but not that much more. I have a 1971 Ford 4500 Industrial TLB. It is really a farm tractor with a loader and backhoe option minus the 3 point.

Does the Kioti have a hydraulic system that works @ 23.6gpm and 3,000psi? Does the Kioti have a box-frame industrial construction loader and backhoe?

The 110 is NOT a farm tractor.

The Kioti AND the Ford TLB will do the same work as the 110... But I'll wager that there will be a difference in both time as well as efficiency of the completed job.

AKfish

 

[chuck172]

The Kioti 's pump capacity is 16.8 gpm. I was just curious as to what makes up the difference between a tlb and a similar equipt farm tractor.

 

[DocDryden]

TSO,
Some of the options I did not mention, skid plate big and heavy, stabilizer cylinder protectors all add weight.

Shipping Weight on a pallet

Bottom Guard / Skid Plate= 140 lbs
Stabilizer Cylinder Guards = 27 lbs

 

[arlen4720]

Ok thanks for posting that... As usual, online figures are difficult to confirm.

Do you know if the axle ratings are beefed up compared to the standard 4x20 series?

It's a shame that they went with the 4120 engine instead of the 4520 or 4720... I'd be all over that machine like a fat kid on a Twinkie.

I don't think there is a single part that interchanges between the 4x20's and the 110....well there could be a few, but they are totally different tractors from the ground up.
It isn't a 4120 engine in them. The 110 was a Yanmar and the 4x20's all had John Deere engines in them, but I agree on the power, it would make them a more appealing machine for PTO chores if they had a 4520 engine in them.