Winches hydraulic winch idea

[BobRip]

I agree that a hydraulic winch is slow.

I'll totally disagree on the electric winch part. My Warn 9500lb has a no load line speed of 67ft per minute. Anything under 6K of pull it will maintain 50ft per minute or more. When I'm hanging on the cable and get traction and jump forward the length of the buggy I don't hafta worry about running over the cable. It will outrun a PTO winch so bad it's not even a comparison.

As to strain. Whatever the winch is fastened to, regardless of winch type, will strain the attaching point. You can't get around that fact. That's why I suggest a spade on the QA bracket so that strain is transmitted straight to the ground and not to the FEL frame, 3pt arms or whatever else you fasten it to. It's transmitted to the ground.

The only advantage of a PTO winch over an electric is you don't have electric draw on the host vehicle. A PTO winch will run faster than a hydraulic, but it has a HUGE disadvantage because it has to be PTO connected to the host. That severely limits where it can be mounted and tends to make it a permanent attachment to the host.

I like his idea of using the 3rd function on the FEL. Makes it very simple to install/uninstall. Adds versatility. The QA plate could even be made to go on the 3pt too and use a rear remote valve. Just need to make sure that whatever houses the the winch has it's own anchor system.

Electric winches have a very limited duty cycle as I understand it. Not good in a skidding winch.

 

[k0ua]

Just need to make sure that whatever houses the the winch has it's own anchor system.

Are you saying it would kinda suck to tear off you loader mounting towers, or even worse snap their bolts in the transmission housing?:shocked:

 

[2458n]

I get a smile out of the hyd. winch being slow. Has anyone been around a tow truck. Hyd. is what you want for what your doing. Harbor Freight has their 12000 lb badland winch on sale this week at 307 dollars off. It will eat your electric. Your ssqh idea is fine ,even better if you have some way to dig in the ground. Yes there are all sorts of ways to bend stuff and get hit with flying cable, but I feel you know this.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I get a smile out of the hyd. winch being slow. Has anyone been around a tow truck.

You figure out how to get the SAME "hydraulic flow" out of a smaller tractors hydraulic pump as a tow truck has, and I'll be smiling right with you...

SR

 

[Rustyiron]

The Hyd. planetary Ramsey 8000# is 50 fpm at rated load. 1st. layer (I think) and require 5 to 15 gpm. AWDirect A5TB - 2015 - pg 243
I'm ok with just under a foot a second with all my rocks & stumps!
The 3 pt tractor winches are stupid fast. In any of my woods, at 150' fpm and up those speeds are going to break something after they hurt someone.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

The Hyd. planetary Ramsey 8000# is 50 fpm at rated load. 1st. layer (I think)
The 3 pt tractor winches are stupid fast. In any of my woods, at 150' fpm and up those speeds are going to break something after they hurt someone.

Sooo, an electric or hydraulic winch is direct drive and 50 fpm, and my pto winch is 75 fpm (at it's slow speed) with a large smooth clutch to take shock loads and the pto winch is dangerous and too fast for your conditions??

I've winched in all kinds of terrain, from rocks and stumps, to up and down hill and about everything else, and I've yet to "break something OR hurt some one"!

I think you have ZERO time running a skidding winch or you would realize that it's very easy to adjust the line speed and control the load coming in with the clutch they have.

Then there's the ease and speed they let the cable back out, they are designed to let the cable pull back out very quickly and easily...

I don't care what you make or use, I was suggesting the "BEST tool for the job" you are about to do, perhaps saving you some aggravation down the road......as I already moved UP the ladder having logged with "make do" winch set up's, that make log retrieval more work than it needs to be...

SR

 

[ovrszd]

Well, 50 0r 67fpm is pretty sloooooow for a skidding winch... Mine with the tractor at "idle" is 75 and at full throttle it's 175fpm!

SO, at a fast idle, you can get some work done, and you have a rope you pull to engage the winch, if you let up on the rope, the winch drum will slow down, so no need to worry about tough spots...

Also, keep in mind, a hydraulic winch drum speed is flow sensitive, so if you pump is smaller or lines smaller, it's going to run sloooower...

SR

Cool!!!! So where and how would you mount that on a tractor so it is easily removeable??

 

[ovrszd]

Electric winches have a very limited duty cycle as I understand it. Not good in a skidding winch.

Yep, totally agree. Hydraulic is the OP's best choice for his described needs.

 

[ovrszd]

Are you saying it would kinda suck to tear off you loader mounting towers, or even worse snap their bolts in the transmission housing?:shocked:

Would that suck or what!!!!! You'd want to replay that last few seconds......

 

[ovrszd]

Sooo, an electric or hydraulic winch is direct drive and 50 fpm, and my pto winch is 75 fpm (at it's slow speed) with a large smooth clutch to take shock loads and the pto winch is dangerous and too fast for your conditions??

I've winched in all kinds of terrain, from rocks and stumps, to up and down hill and about everything else, and I've yet to "break something OR hurt some one"!

I think you have ZERO time running a skidding winch or you would realize that it's very easy to adjust the line speed and control the load coming in with the clutch they have.

Then there's the ease and speed they let the cable back out, they are designed to let the cable pull back out very quickly and easily...

I don't care what you make or use, I was suggesting the "BEST tool for the job" you are about to do, perhaps saving you some aggravation down the road......as I already moved UP the ladder having logged with "make do" winch set up's, that make log retrieval more work than it needs to be...

SR

I agree with you in use of the skidding winch you describe. Would be best for the job at hand for sure. Just not sure how you plan to mount it and make it easily removeable?? Show us some pics of your setup so we can get an idea of how to mount one??