crash325
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I agree with this 100%. & it does not cost anything to look.
Best suggestion so far.
How does this scam work?
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I agree with this 100%. & it does not cost anything to look.
Best suggestion so far.
TCJatko
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Absolutely do this. There are many, many good dogs in need of a home.
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EddieWalker
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Funny thing is after she realized this was a scam, she got back online and started searching through the AKC list of breeders. She found one in Tyler, but they do not have any puppies, and they are not planning any for right now. They gave her the name of a person in Austin who has one that is 6 weeks old, but wasn't planning on selling him. After they spoke on the phone for awhile, she agreed to consider Karen after she finished filling out the application. It's three pages long and quite detailed. Karen is filling it out now and will get it back to her later on today. Neither has even brought up price, which scares me, but this is her thing and I'm just trying to keep her out of trouble.
From what I've found online searching puppy scams, they get you with the additional fees. Money to buy a bigger kennel, money for shots, money to pay the vet, money to get the papers, money to help out a charity. Seems like it's nickel and dime stuff that never ends. You never get the animal because it doesn't exist. They just keep asking for more money until you finally realize its not going to happen and stop replying to them.
Then there is the most common scam, where they give you a large check from a foreign bank and ask you to refund them the difference. The check is fake, so you are out the money you sent them. He didn't try that one.
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Eddie
From what I've found online searching puppy scams, they get you with the additional fees. Money to buy a bigger kennel, money for shots, money to pay the vet, money to get the papers, money to help out a charity. Seems like it's nickel and dime stuff that never ends. You never get the animal because it doesn't exist. They just keep asking for more money until you finally realize its not going to happen and stop replying to them.
Then there is the most common scam, where they give you a large check from a foreign bank and ask you to refund them the difference. The check is fake, so you are out the money you sent them. He didn't try that one.
Thanks,
Eddie
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That's just the half of it. If you cash that check you are committing fraud. The New Yorker did a long piece on one of these scams where a Ph.D. psychologist in Massachusetts got caught up in a Nigerian scam. You would think a psychologist would have seen through it but he and his wife fell for it whole hog. Even though the scammers repeatedly misspelled his name, they cashed a series of checks, which later turned out to be originally from Cy Sims Clothiers ["where an informed consumer is our most important customer"]. They were so persistent that even when he had been sentenced to prison, the scammers called his wife to let her know that they were with her in her time of need.
I once listed a flail mower on eBay and it was amazing how many scammers came out of the woodwork. And I mean this was not an easy sell. Even if you did manage to wrench it from me, who would you sell it too all that quickly. If it smell bad, look for another alternative.
I once listed a flail mower on eBay and it was amazing how many scammers came out of the woodwork. And I mean this was not an easy sell. Even if you did manage to wrench it from me, who would you sell it too all that quickly. If it smell bad, look for another alternative.
Sigarms
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In general, the harder to get the dog, the better the breeder. Great breeders don't do it just for the money.
I've been buying some guns on Armslist. You want scams, that place is loaded with them.
You have common sense Eddy, if you smell a scam, it is, even if they try to convince you otherwise.
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EddieWalker
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Thank you. Karen sent the application back and the owner said that she is not the top contender. Turns out that there are others also filling out applications for this puppy. Some time this week she is sending a friend of hers over to our place to inspect it, interview us and see our Akita. Already having one, and Karen's experience living in Japan for 3 years are important to the breeder. They are not your normal breed, and those with them all seem to know each other. It just took a little bit of time finding out who these people are.
Eddie
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With payment by Card all you would need to do is give them the numbers. No need for a mailing address or any other physical contact. They can access the cash anywhere iin the world and not traceable.
Check out GreenDot card scams - https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=green%20dot%20card%20scams
dave1949
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When Sharon got involved with Leonberger dogs that was my first look at the purebred dog world. The Leonberger Club of America (LCA) existed for many years before Leos became AKC recognized. Not everyone was happy with joining the AKC but a splinter group of owners who wanted more involvement in confirmation showings sort of forced the issue.
The LCA has the same routine for new puppies. Interviews, questionnaires, a sponsor--which can be the breeder. I used to jokingly call them the dog ****'s. LOL But, I've learned that is where you find the breeders who are really committed to the breed's health and overall quality. The contract with breeders when buying a puppy usually requires the puppy buyer to return the dog to the breeder if they need to or must give it up for any reason. It is also common that you are required to have some basic health tests done at a certain puppy age. Hip dysplasia x-rays and eye tests are common requirements. That's the only way a breeder can know for sure what they are producing.
That's not to say there aren't a few excellent breeders who just don't want any part of the AKC thing on principle and aren't LCA members. But they are very, very few and identifying the good ones isn't going to be easy without help from someone who has a long history with the breed.
The LCA has a volunteer network of people who shuttle rescues to foster homes and forever homes all over the country. There is Leonberger health foundation that coordinates blood, necropsy tissue samples, and such for DNA testing to identify breed lines passing genetic inherited health issues. There is a Breeding Scoring committee that scores all potential studs and beaches for suitability. It adds up to a reasonable effort to maintain the breed.
Anyways, I hope that information shows the difference between a puppy miller selling in pet shops, newspapers, on craigslist, compared to a real dog breeder. It's like your client list Eddie, good breeders have people waiting for puppies.
The LCA has the same routine for new puppies. Interviews, questionnaires, a sponsor--which can be the breeder. I used to jokingly call them the dog ****'s. LOL But, I've learned that is where you find the breeders who are really committed to the breed's health and overall quality. The contract with breeders when buying a puppy usually requires the puppy buyer to return the dog to the breeder if they need to or must give it up for any reason. It is also common that you are required to have some basic health tests done at a certain puppy age. Hip dysplasia x-rays and eye tests are common requirements. That's the only way a breeder can know for sure what they are producing.
That's not to say there aren't a few excellent breeders who just don't want any part of the AKC thing on principle and aren't LCA members. But they are very, very few and identifying the good ones isn't going to be easy without help from someone who has a long history with the breed.
The LCA has a volunteer network of people who shuttle rescues to foster homes and forever homes all over the country. There is Leonberger health foundation that coordinates blood, necropsy tissue samples, and such for DNA testing to identify breed lines passing genetic inherited health issues. There is a Breeding Scoring committee that scores all potential studs and beaches for suitability. It adds up to a reasonable effort to maintain the breed.
Anyways, I hope that information shows the difference between a puppy miller selling in pet shops, newspapers, on craigslist, compared to a real dog breeder. It's like your client list Eddie, good breeders have people waiting for puppies.
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My parents have raised Goldens since before I was around and I am told that you can now test for hip displasia and blindness at 8 weeks. I wouldn't buy a Golden who who was not certified to have good hips and eyes (although, if we got a dog, it would likely be a Burmese Mountain Dog as my wife loves them and is good friends with a good breeder that acclimates all their adult dogs to working around large animals).
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The eye testing I'm aware of called CERF (Canine Eye Registration Foundation): http://www.farmcliff.com/articles/CERF Testing Your Dog.pdf
It's a combination eye exam and eye health tracking registry.
(Burmese?) Bernese Mtn. Dogs are nice. They always look so happy. Some health challenges in the breed though I've heard.
One of the reasons Leonberger people didn't want to join the AKC was because if a breed gains popularity it provides the incentive for puppy mills to crank them out. Leonbergers are probably too big and unpractical enough that their popularity will not become that great hopefully. But, shortly after they joined the AKC there were a couple puppy millers breeding them. **** leeches.
There is no quality control in puppy mill breeding. They can pass on some very bad genetics that can spread through the breed eventually. Let's say they use one stud dog with a genetic defect for ten beeches who have two-three litters per year. With a litter size of 6 pups, two litters per year, that's 120 pups in one year that could be carrying that defect. Multiply that by several years use of the same stud and you have a big problem that's going to take a while to sort out and eliminate from the breeding gene pool. It's very likely there are no reliable records of where those pups went even. They are ticking genetic time bombs.