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On this little 2-liter motor (Ford Focus Wagon) I'm pretty sure I'll notice if its missing on one cylinder.

When my Subaru (4 cyl) needed a new coil/distributor module at 100k it first missed only under heavy load, then soon at anything above steady throttle. That miss was very obvious.

I can see how running with a dead cylinder would wash gas into the rings.
 
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I'd get some Ford spec PS fluid, and just change it out as Jim described. (Use a turkey baster to empty the reservoir). Takes care of the mech eng end of things.

Save the removed fluid. Discuss the business end of things with dealer.

I'm not a fan of leaving plugs in to crazy high mileage. IMO, that does tend to stress the coil(s) quite a bit (I believe I've rambled on about this before.....), and also the power semiconductor that sits up-stream of the coil. Depending on fuel and driving patterns, long-time plugs can be pretty carboned up - can be an issue if removed by an impatient gorilla (not meaning you Cali ;) ).

You may of had it done, but I'd also do a transmission service by that mileage, stick or auto. I'm not a fan of transmission flushes on automatics - if I get something that is sludged up, I just do a couple of short changes, with the lowest cost Spec fluid I can find.

Rgds, D.
 
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As mentioned above, waiting until mileage drops to replace your spark plugs is a bad, bad idea. That is like saying you are going to wait until you hear a rod knock to change your oil. Minor misfires are not always felt by the driver, and in addition to washing down the cylinders, contaminating the oil, and causing excessive carbon build up, the unburned fuel gets dumped into the exhaust system, where the catalytic converter does its job and tries to burn off the excess fuel. If too much fuel ends up being fed to it, it will overheat, the catalyst bed will break down, and now you will be spending $1,500 to replace a plugged converter.

Also, the longer you leave your steel-threaded spark plugs in your aluminum cylinder head, the more likely they are to become seized. As a Ford technician, I love these scenarios because it means $$$ in my bank account. Of course, the neglectful car owner usually doesn't share my point of view.

In my 23 years as a tech, I use these guidelines:

Spark plugs every 60k miles, regardless if they are "100k" plugs or not.
Trans, transfer case, and PS fluid every 60k for light use cars, 30k for trucks or hard car use.
Axle fluid every 50k.
Coolant is good for 100k or 5 years on the first fill typically, then cut that in half for subsequent changes.
Tires rotated every other oil change for freeway driving, every change for city driving.
Air filters vary wildly depending on the vehicle, but I put a limit of 15k on most. They are usually cheap enough to warrant changing at that point.
HVAC filter every 15k. Most people don't even know they have one.
PCV valve every 60k, although many now are fixed orifices that never need to be changed.

There are variations and exceptions, but these will give a good balance between cost and performance for most people.
 
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... As a Ford technician ...

In my 23 years as a tech, I use these guidelines:

Spark plugs every 60k miles, regardless if they are "100k" plugs or not.
Trans, transfer case, and PS fluid every 60k for light use cars, 30k for trucks or hard car use.
Axle fluid every 50k.
Coolant is good for 100k or 5 years on the first fill typically, then cut that in half for subsequent changes.
Tires rotated every other oil change for freeway driving, every change for city driving.
Air filters vary wildly depending on the vehicle, but I put a limit of 15k on most. They are usually cheap enough to warrant changing at that point.
HVAC filter every 15k. Most people don't even know they have one.
PCV valve every 60k, although many now are fixed orifices that never need to be changed.

There are variations and exceptions, but these will give a good balance between cost and performance for most people.
Ok, I'm learning a lot here. Thanks!

This Focus is the first PZEV car I've owned. It sounds like the claim of 100,000 mile to first major maintenance is a little optimistic.
 
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I believe that focus uses Mercon V for power steering fluid and new fluid is red.
 
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It looks like the '05 Focus 2.0L used a chain or belt for Timing, depending on the engine build code.

Is your's chain driven Cali, or was the Timing Belt changed ?

Rgds, D.
 
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It looks like the '05 Focus 2.0L used a chain or belt for Timing, depending on the engine build code.

Is your's chain driven Cali, or was the Timing Belt changed ?

Rgds, D.
Dunno, I haven't researched this. I asked the dealership 'Service Advisor' about belts & hoses and all he replied was 100k is time to change the external PS/alternator belt plus flush the PS, brake fluid, and coolant. As I recall I got a blank look like I had asked a stupid question when I asked that specific question about the timing belt/chain, so I interpreted that as not needed. I'm aware of the importance of replacing a timing belt, my Subaru has an interference design that would trash the engine if it broke and I had that replaced at about 2/3 of the recommended life (along with a noisy belt idler).

The reason I'm doubting this whole dealership 'service' is I was handed a work order to sign for $450 which I assumed included the $165 spark plug replacement I had requested as the primary reason I went to the dealer. No, it wasn't in there, rather the PS and coolant flush were far more expensive than I expected. I didn't approve the brake fluid flush since I expect the next service will include its first brake system overhaul.

That initial estimate included an hour to troubleshoot a noise which I thought was a rear wheel bearing. They charged me the full hour for a 'professional' determination that the noise was an out of round worn tire plus a collapsed motor mount. Service Advisor told me it took an hour with a stethoscope etc to find the source of the noise. He also said the motor mounts are known as a most-likely source of rumble so obviously the full hour charge is BS. An experienced dealership mechanic should recognize the motor mount rumble upon starting the car, no?

It's a 2005 California Focus Wagon. I thought only a single engine was available here, but I don't know which one.
 
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I've replaced those focus motor mounts. It is very easy to diagnose and VERY easy to change.
 
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Service Advisors are only there for one thing. Forum rules prevent me from articulating that function. Some really don't have a clue, mechanically speaking.

I was guessing your's is an '05 (?). Rock Auto shows both a belt and chain in that year, so you need to verify for your exact vehicle.

Take your ownership in to a Ford dealer, and have the Parts guy run you a build sheet. That will tell you lots about your car, probably including the engine build code. If the Parts guy can not tell you what the engine has for Belt vs. Chain, do not Walk, but rather Run away from that dealer. :shocked:

Rgds, D.
 
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This was the first time I've gone to a dealership shop in ~15 years, maybe the third time in my life.

I used to do most of my own work back in the points & condenser era. This $16k Focus has been so cheap to operate and troublefree for 10 years/100k miles that I thought a dealer lookover would extend my good luck.

Rather, I came away from that dealer without the spark plugs I went there for and paid high charges for coolant flush and PS flush that so far as I know I could have done myself. I didn't get the feeling that the 'Service Advisor' shared my interest in extending the life of the vehicle, only in selling me stuff.

I doubt I'll go back.
 

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