WHY all this complexity?

[Utopia Texas]

Yes, And I have the option of taking the wood floor boards out and letting all the engine heat flow rearward in Winter. In Summer though with 100 degree heat and black seat covers it can get dicey.....

 

[Fordman1981]

last year a friend and his wife came over to show off his new Dodge Ram... 4-door, all souped up inside & out, with a short box. we went for a drive, the ladies in the back, when his wife says " honey, can you turn down the radio and turn up the heat " he darn near put us in the ditch! Everything is done through the touch screen, and you can't operate that without looking at it. Around here we have "distracted driver" laws, no texting, dialing, GPS programming, etc... only hands-free allowed. And then they allow these new vehicles with a complex menu system just to turn up the heater. Can't figure that out. Maybe next the auto makers need to put ALL functions on voice control, like turn up the heat, turn down the radio, turn on left turn-signal, slow down to 40mph, etc. :laughing: Pete

Just shows how little some people know. Rams have a big physical dial in the middle for radio volume. The heat or air temp have physical buttons as well. Yes you can do both via touch screen but ram did a good job having options to do it either way.

 

[ScottyChip]

Just shows how little some people know. Rams have a big physical dial in the middle for radio volume. The heat or air temp have physical buttons as well. Yes you can do both via touch screen but ram did a good job having options to do it either way.

Thanks Fordman, that was just what I was going to say, my new 2014 Dodge Journey with the 8.4" touch display also has the manual buttons for heat up/down, fan speed and radio volume. I am not a 20 or 30 something, but I am young or old enough which ever way you want to look at it to remember when computers were programmed with punch cards, then basic/fortran programming languages, then the 8088 basic PC's into the 286-386-486 etc to today and I agree it looks like Ram/Dodge/FCA has got it right with a nice mix. Lets hope us consumers can let every one else know that is what we are looking for.

 

[Garandman]

The 2 lever and 1 fan switch system I mentioned in my original post on my '85 Crown Victoria was simpler than the one your Express has and I preferred the controls in my Ford over the 3 knob system my Y2K GMC has.

All well and good but you said you'd not figured the system out in your 2008 truck?

 

[JDgreen227]

All well and good but you said you'd not figured the system out in your 2008 truck?

That was not my post....sorry that you thought it was.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Thanks Fordman, that was just what I was going to say, my new 2014 Dodge Journey with the 8.4" touch display also has the manual buttons for heat up/down, fan speed and radio volume. I am not a 20 or 30 something, but I am young or old enough which ever way you want to look at it to remember when computers were programmed with punch cards, then basic/fortran programming languages, then the 8088 basic PC's into the 286-386-486 etc to today and I agree it looks like Ram/Dodge/FCA has got it right with a nice mix. Lets hope us consumers can let every one else know that is what we are looking for.

Same with our 2012 and 2013 Fords.

I prefer the touch screen but there is two ways to do it if you desire.

Chris

Chris

 

[Industrial Toys]

As far as being supected of Trolling, I am not sure what that is about. Seems some people on forums are paranoid about trolls or something. They seem to see them everywhere!

My two new Dodge Dakotas and my 08 Sierra have precious little heat or air flow to the floor area! And I have no idea how the dual climate system works on the Sierra, nor do I want or need such crap. It just happened to come with the vehicle.

 

[JDgreen227]

As far as being supected of Trolling, I am not sure what that is about. Seems some people on forums are paranoid about trolls or something. They seem to see them everywhere!

My two new Dodge Dakotas and my 08 Sierra have precious little heat or air flow to the floor area! And I have no idea how the dual climate system works on the Sierra, nor do I want or need such crap. It just happened to come with the vehicle.

I done speak well for IT here, he ain't no troll and never has been. :laughing: Tell you guys something, lack of heat is getting to be a common gripe from owners of many newer vehicles today. My biased opinion is that because carmakers constantly keep reducing the size of the cooling system to save weight, less coolant and smaller radiators make it more difficult to get heat from a system. Remember when the average cooling system had a huge radiator and 18 quarts of coolant? Well, many of today's downsized systems barely have 8 quarts of coolant. Another issue is many cars today no longer have a radiator cap and it's next to impossible to bleed the air out of cooling system unless you know what you are doing. Had a lady friend visit us 2 weeks ago, her Pontiac Vibe was slow to heat because there was so much air in the system. Lotta causes for such a situation.

Don't pick on IT guy, I can vouch it's a LOT colder in Canada than where a lot of you yahoos live....:laughing:

 

[davrow]

Gotta put the techno-gadgets into historical perspective, too. Helps me cope, at least. Most youngsters today could not use a typewriter. That's okay, could you operate a type-setter? Do you know how to fence (sword, not chainlink)? What was 'necessary knowledge to get by' in any time period is totally irrelevant in the next.

I don't know any of the names for tack except halter. But I can operate a horseless carriage just fine.

 

[Garandman]

Gotta put the techno-gadgets into historical perspective, too. Helps me cope, at least. Most youngsters today could not use a typewriter.

Yeah, the country has been going downhill since the Army adopted the M1 Garand over the bolt-action M1903 Springfield in 1937.....