Cost of owning a tractor

   / Cost of owning a tractor #21  
True but that method ignores savings accrued by doing work yourself that would otherwise be contracted out and paid out of pocket.

Not so. In order to make a fair comparison of buying versus hiring it out, you need to consider both the opportunity cost of ownership and the opportunity cost of your time. The breakeven formula for cost of buying versus hiring is H* = FC/(P-AVC), where H* = breakeven annual hours of use, FC = annual fixed (ownership) cost, AVC = average variable (operating) cost per hour of usage (including the opportunity cost of your time), and P = the cost per hour if contracted out. If your annual usage is greater than H*, it pays to buy and DIY.

Steve
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #22  
Not so. In order to make a fair comparison of buying versus hiring it out, you need to consider both the opportunity cost of ownership and the opportunity cost of your time. The breakeven formula for cost of buying versus hiring is H* = FC/(P-AVC), where H* = breakeven annual hours of use, FC = annual fixed (ownership) cost, AVC = average variable (operating) cost per hour of usage (including the opportunity cost of your time), and P = the cost per hour if contracted out. If your annual usage is greater than H*, it pays to buy and DIY.

Steve

What about the the valuation of the stress relief and the corresponding lack of divorce?
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #24  
Not so. In order to make a fair comparison of buying versus hiring it out, you need to consider both the opportunity cost of ownership and the opportunity cost of your time. The breakeven formula for cost of buying versus hiring is H* = FC/(P-AVC), where H* = breakeven annual hours of use, FC = annual fixed (ownership) cost, AVC = average variable (operating) cost per hour of usage (including the opportunity cost of your time), and P = the cost per hour if contracted out. If your annual usage is greater than H*, it pays to buy and DIY.

Steve

The opportunity cost of my time while operating the tractor, is basically the lost opportunity to groom the lint in my navel. Like most folks here, I don't run my tractor commercially and I use the tractor when I would otherwise be working hard on bupkis. The hourly cost of operating the tractor for practical purposes is therefore fuel and some small amount towards maintenance/repairs. The benefit side of the equation is quite different, especially as I use the tractor on an island. For me to hire and operator and equipment to do what I can do requires a full day rental/operator x 8 hrs plus ferry transport. In this part of the country that amounts to close to a grand a day. It doesn't take many days of work on the tractor to pay it off and be left with just the variable operating cost per hour which might be something between $5-10 depending on how much of a rainy day fund one builds into the model. I think it is fair to say that the tractor itself and a few of the implements paid for themselves in the first big project I did clearing land which took at least 30 man/tractor days. Yes, in theory there is opportunity cost of leaving capital tied up in the tractor (even though by my calculations the tractor owes me nothing) but I can counterbalance that with the notion that if I took that capital out (sold it), I would be at risk of needing to make an even bigger repurchase once I needed it again. (for example, last week we had a leak in our water system, I pulled the tractor and BH out of the barn, dug it up, repaired it and was finished in less time than it would take to arrange to get a TLB and plumber over to the island).

I don't think businesses typically tally up "opportunity cost" for fully depreciated or expensed equipment as part of their standard budgeting process. You probably know more about that but from a non accountant's perspective, those are sunk costs and don't really add "opportunity costs" on an ongoing basis. In any case, I am happy believing that it costs me less than $10 per hour of tractor operation now which even if doubled or tripled would still be a good deal.
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #25  
The opportunity cost of my time while operating the tractor, is basically the lost opportunity to groom the lint in my navel.

So, you don't enjoy reading, participating in TBN, spending time with your wife and kids, watching TV, golfing, fishing, hunting. or any activity other than grooming your navel lint? The time spent on your tractor is time that you are not spending in these other activities.

I don't think businesses typically tally up "opportunity cost" for fully depreciated or expensed equipment as part of their standard budgeting process. You probably know more about that but from a non accountant's perspective, those are sunk costs and don't really add "opportunity costs" on an ongoing basis.

Economic depreciation is not the same as either book depreciation or depreciation for tax purposes. Businesses use tax depreciation for filing taxes, book depreciation in preparing financial statements according to GAAP, and economic depreciation in decision-making.

The opportunity costs of capital and your time are implicit costs and are not "accounted" for by accountants.

Steve
 
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   / Cost of owning a tractor #26  
that does not mean there are not costs it just means there is a return on the investment. Owning a tractor or any other piece of equipment is not free.
But if my tractor has paid for itself and all it's fuel and maintenance then it has cost me ZERO! NADA! ZIP!

A 100% return on an items investment makes that item sitting in my barn free.
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #27  
But if my tractor has paid for itself and all it's fuel and maintenance then it has cost me ZERO! NADA! ZIP!

A 100% return on an items investment makes that item sitting in my barn free.

Not trying to be pedantic, but owning and operating your tractor is not free. What you are saying is that your benefits from owning and operating your tractor have equaled or exceeded the costs of owning and operating your tractor. To obtain a 100% ROI, the benefits who have to be twice as large as the costs.

Steve
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #29  
Not to mention the psychiatrist. Diesel therapy, man! :thumbsup:


Absolutely.

Diesel therapy! I forgot about that.

Then there's the Thinking Machine benefit:
The son of the guy who built our house told me that his dad would come home from his job as a tool & die maker, throw on his coveralls and get the tractor out into the field as fast as he could. He said his dad called it his "Thinking Machine", meaning if he had a work problem that he couldn't figure out, what with all the stresses & distractions at work, after a few minutes on the tractor a solution would bubble up for him.

I will testify that the man was onto something. It has something to do with no phones ringing, nobody asking you to do something - just some nice scenery passing by and that deisel purring away. Your brain farts all clear up and the ideas start pouring out. It's an intangible benefit, and hard to put a value on, but there are plenty of business consultants who lead creativity seminars that charge a pretty penny for 2 or 3 hours of yacking at you in a stuffy conference room that is meant to achieve the same result. I'll take the tractor time, any time. I know it delivers results. And you'll be getting those potatos hilled, while you're solving your thinking problems.
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #30  
Convenience=Priceless
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #31  
Great idea for a thread. It got thinking about my tractor and my current situation, so I pulled out my records to see what it would look like.

As some of you know I am waiting for delivery of my L3901 tomorrow(feels like Christmas Eve):cool2:and I will be saying farewell to my 1985 L2250 which has served me well since I bought it used in 2002.

I was fortunate enough to be get on trade exactly what I paid for the tractor 13 years ago, so no cost impact there. Parts costs since purchase totaled $495. So that works out to be a whopping $38 per year:eek:. Guess that would qualify as one of my best investments to date.

Here is a picture of the L2250. It will be sad to see her go tomorrow, but I am sure she'll do well for the next owner.

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   / Cost of owning a tractor #32  
So why the trade? She has been good to you.
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #34  
Ah.... somebody wanted a new tractor!
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #35  
Ah.... somebody wanted a new tractor!
A common and nearly incurable affliction. Some do manage to avoid acting on the urge for long periods of apparent remission but the disease can return at almost any time.
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #36  
If I look at the cost per hour of my BX, it's pretty high, probably taking all costs into account, probably $15 per hour or so. The more I use it that cost goes down and like others have said, it's a must have at this point in my life.
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #37  
Not trying to be pedantic, but owning and operating your tractor is not free. What you are saying is that your benefits from owning and operating your tractor have equaled or exceeded the costs of owning and operating your tractor. To obtain a 100% ROI, the benefits who have to be twice as large as the costs.

Steve

I get that you are coming from an economics standpoint, but there is a key difference between a business and a household: Businesses operate on an ROI basis. Households are almost purely expenses. As such, households deal more with a cash flow issue than anything approaching an ROI. Yes, I have heard all the arguments about what is your free time worth? Like several posters here have said, "I paid for the tractor with the first one/two/three jobs - the rest are free" That is cash flow/expenses talking, not ROI. If you got quotes for $40k of landscape work and bought a 20k tractor and got all that work done, you would be money ahead but it cost you your time. But then you now have $20k in extra money to use for a week at Disney, or maybe to just be able to afford to do the work at all - $40k may have been untenable. That is your call as an expense center...

People often give me the 'what is your time worth" question in similar discussions. I say my time is free. I do what I want, and this is what I want. It costs me nothing, in my mind. I am a salaried engineer, so I don't get overtime, and I can't really get more income from my free time from my work, unless I wanted a second (separate) job. And I don't. I already have that with my house build ...

Classical business economics don't apply rigorously to everything, even if they do get you thinking about the what and why of the things you are considering.
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #38  
I get that you are coming from an economics standpoint, but there is a key difference between a business and a household: Businesses operate on an ROI basis. Households are almost purely expenses. As such, households deal more with a cash flow issue than anything approaching an ROI. Yes, I have heard all the arguments about what is your free time worth? Like several posters here have said, "I paid for the tractor with the first one/two/three jobs - the rest are free" That is cash flow/expenses talking, not ROI. If you got quotes for $40k of landscape work and bought a 20k tractor and got all that work done, you would be money ahead but it cost you your time. But then you now have $20k in extra money to use for a week at Disney, or maybe to just be able to afford to do the work at all - $40k may have been untenable. That is your call as an expense center...

People often give me the 'what is your time worth" question in similar discussions. I say my time is free. I do what I want, and this is what I want. It costs me nothing, in my mind. I am a salaried engineer, so I don't get overtime, and I can't really get more income from my free time from my work, unless I wanted a second (separate) job. And I don't. I already have that with my house build ...

Classical business economics don't apply rigorously to everything, even if they do get you thinking about the what and why of the things you are considering.

Well stated. Household economics are not the same as LLC economics.

I can however, think of quite a few things higher on my bucket list than spending $20K in savings "for a week at Disney"!:eek: I think I'd go for a month in Bali for starters.
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #39  
I get that you are coming from an economics standpoint, but there is a key difference between a business and a household: Businesses operate on an ROI basis. Households are almost purely expenses. As such, households deal more with a cash flow issue than anything approaching an ROI. Yes, I have heard all the arguments about what is your free time worth? Like several posters here have said, "I paid for the tractor with the first one/two/three jobs - the rest are free" That is cash flow/expenses talking, not ROI. If you got quotes for $40k of landscape work and bought a 20k tractor and got all that work done, you would be money ahead but it cost you your time. But then you now have $20k in extra money to use for a week at Disney, or maybe to just be able to afford to do the work at all - $40k may have been untenable. That is your call as an expense center...

People often give me the 'what is your time worth" question in similar discussions. I say my time is free. I do what I want, and this is what I want. It costs me nothing, in my mind. I am a salaried engineer, so I don't get overtime, and I can't really get more income from my free time from my work, unless I wanted a second (separate) job. And I don't. I already have that with my house build ...

Classical business economics don't apply rigorously to everything, even if they do get you thinking about the what and why of the things you are considering.

Well stated. Household economics are not the same as LLC economics.

I can however, think of quite a few things higher on my bucket list than spending $20K in savings "for a week at Disney"!:eek: I think I'd go for a month in Bali for starters.

Old habits die hard, so when I perceive a teachable moment, I go for it. But Geez, some of you get defensive when it comes to your tractors.:)

Economists assume that consumers try to maximize their satisfaction subject to their income and time constraints, and firms try to maximize profits. The consideration of explicit and implicit costs is relevant both for individuals and firms.

When you ask a farmer about his production costs for say, soybeans, he will focus typically on his explicit costs (seed fertilizer, herbicides, machinery, etc.) and ignore the value of his time, an implicit cost. And if he owns the land, he will ignore the rent that he could have obtained if he was not using the land himself, an implicit cost.

If you took ECON 101 in college, chances are that you were introduced to the concept of opportunity costs when your instructor discussed the costs of obtaining a college degree. In addition to the explicit costs (tuition, textbooks, etc.) of college, he/she would have discussed the wages you could have earned by going to work straight out of HS as an implicit cost of that degree. He/she would have added that the implicit cost of your time need not be measured in monetary terms. We use forgone wages in many of our examples because they are observable and measurable.

To say that your time is free is saying that that there is no scarcity of time. Time spent in a particular activity is time that could have been spent in other activities that you enjoy or find beneficial. Activities foregone are implicit costs. A day is but 24 hours, a constraint that is binding for everyone.

Speaking of ROI, consumers obtain benefits from their expenditures. Several of the posters in this thread have said that the benefits of owning and operating their tractors (via costs savings, convenience,etc.) have exceeded the costs of owning and operating their tractors. Hence, their tractor investments have a positive ROI according to their measurement of costs.

Steve
 
   / Cost of owning a tractor #40  
Steve,

"all models are wrong, but some are useful". - George E. P. Box

I mention this quote to remind you that regardless of how perfect you try to be in your economic assessment, it will be wrong. And in the end, probably less useful than the assessment of those you are trying to "teach" because unlike them, you are not in a position to place value on the tradeoffs or know what is the appropriate comparator.

Best regards,

Ron :)
 

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