Buying Advice New TMT (Chinese ) 40hp ?

[rgr33]

When I read this thread, I wish I had a lot more money than I really do just so I could buy one strictly for fun and run the cr@p out of it just to see how good they really are. Cause now I really want to know.

 

[hunt4570]

When I read this thread, I wish I had a lot more money than I really do just so I could buy one strictly for fun and run the cr@p out of it just to see how good they really are. Cause now I really want to know.

But if you run the cr@p out of it there wont be anything left!

 

[sd455dan]

I had a tractor budget,, I choose to buy used vs new chinese.. I'm glad I did... I'm money ahead...

What have you saved if this low quality unit ends up as a yard ornament ,and you have to buy another tractor ??

Your other chinese items won't see near the punishment as a tractor..Just visit the chinese forum, and read the problems..

Sure all mechanical things have some problems.. But not not near the kind of / type problems chinese tractors have.. In the end, it's your $$ ,and your decision... good luck

Just visit the chinese forum, and read the problems..

I have to take issue with this statement-

The (problems) include Every brand and every model of chinese tractor ever produced...One forum for every chinese tractor...how many chinese tractor owners have never posted because they have used their machines without problems??

I have said this before- If i could only keep one of my two tractors it would most likely be the chinese one, and my ford has been a very good tractor.

to the OP I would put more credence in advice given about chinese tractors by actual current or previous owners ( GOOD OR BAD) than from individuals who have never owned or even operated a chinese tractor.

I will say that there do seem to be some questionable sales/service outfits in Aussie land- than some other countries. Also will admit there is at least one brand of chinese tractor sold there that I would not consider buying under any circumstances.

I would ask the Enfly sales company if there are some long time owners of their tractors and if it would be possible to talk to them concerning their ownership experience.

I have a local friend who has a 284 Jinma bought it new at least 10 years ago, and he is still very pleased with it, just as I am pleased with my 22 year old 55 hp Shanghai/Rhino.

 

[kenmac]

Just visit the chinese forum, and read the problems..

I have to take issue with this statement-

The (problems) include Every brand and every model of chinese tractor ever produced...One forum for every chinese tractor...how many chinese tractor owners have never posted because they have used their machines without problems??

I have said this before- If i could only keep one of my two tractors it would most likely be the chinese one, and my ford has been a very good tractor.

to the OP I would put more credence in advice given about chinese tractors by actual current or previous owners ( GOOD OR BAD) than from individuals who have never owned or even operated a chinese tractor.

I will say that there do seem to be some questionable sales/service outfits in Aussie land- than some other countries. Also will admit there is at least one brand of chinese tractor sold there that I would not consider buying under any circumstances.

I would ask the Enfly sales company if there are some long time owners of their tractors and if it would be possible to talk to them concerning their ownership experience.

I have a local friend who has a 284 Jinma bought it new at least 10 years ago, and he is still very pleased with it, just as I am pleased with my 22 year old 55 hp Shanghai/Rhino.

I can't believe you want someone to think that a chinese tractor is of equal quality as the major brands

The name brands don't have the same problems that chinese tractors do, and you know it..

How old is your tractor ?? You have a thread about having to rebuild the engine ,among other issues with that tractor.. There are several others with a chinese tractor that have had to rebuild the engine..

I have a 30 yr old yanmar.. How many 30 yr old chinese tractors are there without major problems ???
The dealer I bought my yanmar from also sold jinma's.. He stopped selling them about the same ime I bought my yanmar,because he had too many come backs from his customers.. He ended up buying several back , because the customers were so nhappy with the problems they had

There use to be a guy here that had a foton ??? I can't remember the exact name ,but chinese tractor I think he went by 3LLRob ?? he hadn't had his tractor very long ,, he rebuilt the engine ,and talked about the engine tolerances, the gears stripped out in the front wheel drive.. I can't remember what all he had to do to that tractor

Compare the # of chinese tractors sold that give problems with the # of major brands sold that give problems... there are thousands of major brands sold vs chinese

If these chinese tractors were so great.. For the price, they would have already gained market share over the major brands...

Take issue all you want ,but
There's a reason farmers don't make their living with a chinese tractor....... QUALITY !

 

[abyss]

Ok I'm getting plenty of advice here in Aus and also on this forum not to buy Chinese.
I am now looking along the lines of Massey, JD, Kabouta etc.
There no point in asking for advice and not listening.
I will probably ask more questions when I cet closer to purchase.

 

[kenmac]

You won't go wrong with any of those you listed.. It's Kubota , but I knew who you meant

 

[sd455dan]

I can't believe you want someone to think that a chinese tractor is of equal quality as the major brands

The name brands don't have the same problems that chinese tractors do, and you know it..

How old is your tractor ?? You have a thread about having to rebuild the engine ,among other issues with that tractor.. There are several others with a chinese tractor that have had to rebuild the engine..

I have a 30 yr old yanmar.. How many 30 yr old chinese tractors are there without major problems ???
The dealer I bought my yanmar from also sold jinma's.. He stopped selling them about the same ime I bought my yanmar,because he had too many come backs from his customers.. He ended up buying several back , because the customers were so nhappy with the problems they had

There use to be a guy here that had a foton ??? I can't remember the exact name ,but chinese tractor I think he went by 3LLRob ?? he hadn't had his tractor very long ,, he rebuilt the engine ,and talked about the engine tolerances, the gears stripped out in the front wheel drive.. I can't remember what all he had to do to that tractor

Compare the # of chinese tractors sold that give problems with the # of major brands sold that give problems... there are thousands of major brands sold vs chinese

If these chinese tractors were so great.. For the price, they would have already gained market share over the major brands...

Take issue all you want ,but
There's a reason farmers don't make their living with a chinese tractor....... QUALITY !

(How old is your tractor ?? You have a thread about having to rebuild the engine ,among other issues with that tractor..)


I decided to freshen the engine up -as I posted the engine has always had a little color to the exhaust. after removing the exhaust manifold it was obvious #4 does produce some unburned diesel.
i paid to have the head re built and i replaced the rings and #4 liner. It runs exactly the same as before- just fine- even the same slight color to the exhaust of #4.

It is my opinion that the shop did not have a seat grinder and ground my new valves and tried to lap them in to the un touched seats.

I purchased my own valve and seat grinding equipment and when i get time will nail down the slight exhaust color from # 4. and prove to myself what is actually going on. I suspect a burned #4 exhaust seat.
Have already re- done Pontiac 455 ,Buick 225- jeep v6 and Kohler 301a valves/ seats with Excellent results.



That being said most people ( my friends who have diesel tractors) have said they never even noticed it.

The tractor has always run and started well, never over heated- even mowing in near 100 degree heat for 8+ hours. It has lived its entire life outside been used hard every year- summer and winter and is 22 years old.

There was no driving need for me to tear it down.






As I said it has always started and ran fine- it didn't and doesn't over heat ,use oil or anything else...


I did gain a few pounds of oil pressure with the new rod bearings 70 psi cold and 55 psi @ 190 degrees (the temperature it runs when warmed up) and spent a total of about $200 including new gaskets, cylinder liner, rod bearings and rings.

Years ago the tractor was left on family property next to the local correction facility , unfortunately with the keys hidden on the tractor. Someone found them over a weekend and the tractor was found over a 1/2 a mile away from where it was parked in a deep hollow with dented fenders and the now mangled 6 foot brush cutter. Joy ridden and ditched...

(who knows what kind of operation it was exposed to).




I do have experience with my FILs 2310d Yanmar and it is a good little machine-

but it is Nowhere near as capable OR comfortable to operate as the 554 and it has been No more reliable either. The parts costs spent on that Yanmar exceed total spent on the Rhino...

Remember I had to save the yannies --- plowing snow when the steering was stripped out and broken for the second time- also the time it stripped out the front drive hub(s)...




To the OP If YOU ARE NOT MECHANICALLY INCLINED-


buy a New name brand tractor with a great warranty that includes parts / labor service for years.

Kioti , LS and YES even Yanmar come to mind... for a good price to value
If you buy used there is a good chance you will be working on the tractor no matter what brand.

Good luck Abyss on your tractor search

 

[kenmac]

I decided to freshen the engine up -as I posted the engine has always had a little color to the exhaust. after removing the exhaust manifold it was obvious #4 does produce some unburned diesel.


To the OP If YOU ARE NOT MECHANICALLY INCLINED-


buy a New name brand tractor with a great warranty that includes parts / labor service for years.

Kioti , LS and YES even Yanmar come to mind... for a good price to value
If you buy used there is a good chance you will be working on the tractor no matter what brand.

Good luck Abyss on your tractor search

So you admit, the quality even when it was new, was sub-par as, most people don't just tear an engine apart just because they want to freshen it up .. The only reason I (or anyone else I know) would tear anything apart, would be because there are problems. Again,, for the few chinese tractors that are sold.. they have a lot of problems that the new major brands just don't have.

It's also not true if he buys a used name brand ,there will be a good chance he'll be working on it...I have several friends that have bought used JD'S ,Kubota's, Massey's ,etc, and have not had to turn a wrench other than change oil, and repair flat tires...,That being said,, you can buy a used name brand, that has been beat to death..

About your FIL's yanmar.. He most likely bought a worn out yanmar,, Also, keep in mind,, These yanmar tractors are 30+ yrs old. If the tractor was rode hard and put up wet,, it's expected to have problems..Your tractor or the other chinese tractors with all the issues aren't 30 + yr old tractors

 

[Troysie]

Hi Folks

I own a 2008 YTO , X704, I purchased this tractor new , maintain 20 acres of field and 180 acre woodlot . I am very happy with my chinese tractor , like a lot of people it was the price that made my choice to purchase a YTO. I purchased from a local dealer, I currently have 1200 hours on it , the only thing I have purchased for it are lubricants and filters.
I use a BH,bush hog,potato digger,tiller,I plow snow on 2 miles of private road with a county snowblade.
I would purchase same tractor again,I grew up always having farm tractors around me , I would give my YTO a high rating.
I live in SouthWest New Brunswick, Canada.

When I needed manuals I contacted YTO directly through their website, they immediately put the 2 manuals on a DHL courier, exactly 7 days later they arrived from China to my door in New Brunswick, it did not cost me one penny.
For filters I cross referenced everything from the chinese filters to Baldwin which I get just up the road from my house, the local dealer also has all the original chinese filters, however for example the oil filter chinese version is $30.00, baldwin filter is $8.00 .
For fuel I use the regular ultra low sulfur diesel from the local service station, I also add some conditioner only because my tractors fuel tank holds 35 gallons and I am concerned about diesel bugs as the fuel sometimes sits for long periods of time.
I use the 15W40 supreme diesel engine oil and the Multigrade TDH oil in my combined transmission hydraulic and differential system.
when it comes time that I may need parts, I may need to wait a week, but I have confidence I will be able to get what I need, Chinese seem to use the same parts on a lot of different tractors, all you need to know is what tractors use what parts, I already know that a lot of the regular maintenance type of parts such as alternators,starters,etc I can get from the Jinma dealers.
I have a bush hog, potato digger, backhoe, snow blade(gets a lot of use) , tiller , multiple other farm attachments. I maintain an old family homestead, currently have 3/4 of an acre of potatoes planted. This is just a hobby, I do not get any income from my farming interests.
When I purchased I received the standard 1 year and max hours (can't remember #) , I did not make any claims so I cannot comment on how that service would have been, I am happy with tractor understanding that I paid for what I got and I feel I got a good value for my dollar.

Troy

 

[GManBart]

From the little bit of actual pricing I've seen on Chinese tractors here in the U.S. I'm not that impressed...they don't seem nearly as inexpensive as I would expect. I found this article on a Jinma dealer's website, and found it sort of interesting:

"If you are totally new to Jinma ? You must do some research. A Jinma is not for everyone just like a Ford truck is not for everyone.

New Jinma tractors can be purchased broke down and in a steel crate. Ranch Hand Supply does not sell tractors in the crate. If you are considering purchasing a Jinma tractor in the factory crate Please Be Aware ..... I will list some of the things we experience with our tractors that we receive crated and some tid bits you should think about and research while shopping for a Jinma tractor dealer/seller.

The factory books that come with the Jinma tractors do not show, illustrate or read anything about how to assemble the tractor.

It states nothing on what should be done to the tractor prior to it being put to service/work.

All the oils that come in the tractors is a very poor quality oil and must be replaced. The books do not mention this or what USA oils they recommend.

We have never un-crated one and found it half put together but, No Quality Control program has been performed at the factory. These tractors must have proper service/prep and fine tune adjustments made ..... again, not in books. As long as someone has done it they make great little tractors.

The factory books do not give any step by step guides to trouble shooting problems with detail.

The factory books do not provide you with a step by step clear guide to adjust the clutch, adjust the valves, replace the water pump, repair the hydraulics etc, etc.....

Needed no charge Warranty Parts are between you and the one you purchased your tractor from. All Jinma sellers are independent of each other and warranties will differ.

Free replacement parts from shipping damage are between you and the one you purchased your tractor from.

Missing parts are between you and the one you purchased your tractor from.

We are not trying to tell you not to buy a crate tractor.... just do your home work first.

All sellers don't offer the same warranty period. We offer a one parts and labor only warranty or a One year parts only warranty and that includes Technical Assistance with pictures via email.

Your customer service , warranty, technical assistance and replacement parts availability is something you should consider when deciding on who to purchase from.

Would you rather call or email the people you purchased your Jinma from when you have questions, need replacement parts, or go on the internet and try to find someone that will help you?"


What's even more interesting is that when you go to look at the models they sell, and it says "Sorry, we are sold out," and they say "We are waiting for the market demand/economy to improve." If a Chinese tractor dealer says they're waiting for market demand to improve, that tells me something.