Help choosing a 1 ton dually

[bdog]

My truck was wrecked last week and instead of fixing it I think I am just going to trade it in get a new one. I have a backhoe that weighs 17,000lb and want to put it on a tandem dual gooseneck trailer that weighs 6600 lb and haul it around. This puts the gross trailer weight (backhoe and load) and 23,600.

The dodge 1 tons are rated to tow 29,360 with a payload capacity of 6,030lb. It seems I would have no problem hauling it with a dodge.

The Chevrolet is rated to tow 23,200 which is just slightly under my weight but the payload capacity is 7,180b which is more than the dodge. I think it could handle it no problem but being slightly over the towing spec concerns me. The added payload capacity seems like a plus as I will be adding a flatbed to it which will add some weight.

I didn't even look at the ford specs. My current truck I wrecked is a ford and I like it but just want something different as 3 out my last 4 trucks have been fords. Also price wise currently the fords are several thousand more than comparably equipped chevys or dodges.

If it matters it is flat as a pancake here and I would only be towing the backhoe 20 miles or less to local jobs and not every day. I can also haul it behind my dump truck if need be I just want the ability to haul it with my pickup.

I really would prefer the Chevy as I really like the interior but I am worried if it will be enough truck. I know I will not be over the registered weights or axle weights, just a few hundred pounds over the manufacturers GCVWR. I have been stopped by the DOT numerous times and they have never checked this. They just have made sure I wasn't over any axle ratings, tire ratings, or registered weights.

 

[tcartwri]

F450/550.

Not that much difference in price over a 350. Huge difference in performance.

 

[bdog]

F450/550.

Not that much difference in price over a 350. Huge difference in performance.

Thought about that but from what I can tell only ford offers the 450+ trucks with the fancy trim levels. I want the king ranch, high country, longhorn level of truck. I don't think dodge or Chevy offer that in anything bigger than a 350. Nothing against ford I have two 2015 f-250's now just want something different.

Also I am pretty sure the f-450's & 550's are de tuned and have less HP /torque than the 350s.

 

[tcartwri]

Think your pin weight is going to put you into a chassis cab whichever brand you go with.

 

[Diamondpilot]

With that load I would be shopping for a 450. That leaves GM out but both Ford and Ram have nice offerings. Fords have been doing the 450's a long time and have a well oiled machine. Ram is sort of the new comer but have a good reputation around here with construction companies including mine, we have 3 2014's. Just make sure you get the Asian tranny in a Ram.

Chris

 

[bdog]

Think your pin weight is going to put you into a chassis cab whichever brand you go with.

With the trailer at 23,600 20% on the tongue would be 4,720 on the pin. Both trucks can handle that. The Chevy says you can put 7k in the bed.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

The rams will tow that while meeting the new sae spec for a one ton truck. Personally, I'd try and figure out how much truck I could live with. Towing right at the maximum was never comfortable for me but I have some pretty steep and twisty hills in PA. as always, stopping the load is far more important than how fast you can get it to 70.

The max tow package on the rams is a very specific package. I think in the 1 tons it's somewhere around a 4.10 gear, the c&c trucks get a 4.88 or they used to. The c&c trucks may be detuned but they are a heavier built truck.

 

[700R]

I am voting with the group for a 450/550 truck. Why buy a 1-ton and stress it to the limit, wearing out parts much quicker...when you can get a bigger truck that can handle the load with larger frames/axles/brakes/suspension, and be fine for years?

 

[JESSE1]

Thought about that but from what I can tell only ford offers the 450+ trucks with the fancy trim levels. I want the king ranch, high country, longhorn level of truck. I don't think dodge or Chevy offer that in anything bigger than a 350. Nothing against ford I have two 2015 f-250's now just want something different.

Also I am pretty sure the f-450's & 550's are de tuned and have less HP /torque than the 350s.

Nope, if you get an F-450 pickup you get the full 440 hp/ 865 tq engine. The F-450 pickup also has a 40,700# GCWR. Dana 130S rear axle and very heavy suspension components. The truck is no taller than an F-350.

 

[bdog]

I am voting with the group for a 450/550 truck. Why buy a 1-ton and stress it to the limit, wearing out parts much quicker...when you can get a bigger truck that can handle the load with larger frames/axles/brakes/suspension, and be fine for years?

I get a new truck every two years. I am somewhat concerned about the 450 not being as popular and hurting me at trade time.

I drive about 30k miles a year. Probably 20k of those are towing but are much lighter loads maybe around 15k load which includes truck an trailer.

In all reality the backhoe might be towed 500 miles a year.