O my, I am comfused

[AxleHub]

1. Log size


2. Grapples tend to be heavy and with the limited lift capacity of a SCUT the extra weight of the grapple will severely reduce your lift capacity. If the tractor is rated at 1000 pounds at the pins and has 5 ft loader arms and center of your load is 2 ft past the loader arms you only have about 700 pounds of lift at the load center. If you now replace your bucket with a grapple that weighs 200 pounds more, you have 500 pounds of lift. And it would have to be a very light grapple to only weigh 200 pounds more than your bucket. With the wrong SCUT grapple combo you could end up with little useable lift.


3. CUTS are the easiest to find implements for. Standard Cat 1 implements are plentiful and with more power you have more options. SCUTs often take Cat 0 implements which are harder to find and aren't always less .

Greeting Glade,

1. Nikko has said numerous times he wants to log his small woods for wood for burning . . So he will be able to choose his log sizes.

2. My bucket weighs 155 pounds on my gc1715. When I quick detach it I lose that 155 pounds. When I get my mini grapple and i quick attach it, I will gain 80 pounds thus My loader will have an additional 75 pounds of carrying capacity . . not a minus 200 pounds. The grapple manufacturer I will purchase from specializes in scut products and more specifically fel addons. Bulk steel is the weakest choice per pound and the cheapest to manufacture with. But there are a series of much higher strength steels that cost more per pound but require significantly less weight for the strength ratio. Thatvis specifically why SSQA based implements should be less desireable for scut owners or small compact owners IMO. Skidsteer requirements are far different than scut needs.

3. I'm a bit baffled by your statement that most scuts use cat 0 implements. I personally drove 4 models of bx, 3 models of yanmar scuts, 2 models of mahindra scuts, 3 models of massey scuts, and none of them used cat 0. They all used cat 1. In adfition I looked at several 3pt quick attach choices that were all cat 1 and they all would fiton my 3pt.. I did see a Simplicity mower/with fel and 3 pt. That used cat 0, but that was the only one. I have a cat 1 sprayer and a cat 1 trailer mover and a cat 1 fork set that all work perfectly on my massey gc1715.

Thanks for listening.

 

[AxleHub]

Any compact tractors loader you guys know of the can take a mmm that are in the 20g rage?

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Yanmar 324 and 424 models.


And as far as log stack. Nobody burns 20 foot logs . . So you cut the log to 4 foot or 6 foot or 8 foot (depending on diameter) while its piled in the stack. Then pull it off the stack in that 4/6/8 foot length with your mini grapple and the gc1715 carries it to your cut and split location. My dad and I did it for years and we didn't even have a tractor or grapple.

 

[jenkinsph]

Gladehound,
I use cat 1 implements on my x749 too, don't have any cat 0 equipment and don't see much of it anywhere either. Everything I buy for the small stuff is IMatch quick coupler compatible. The only time I take off my IMatch is when I need to use the material collection system (MC519) cart which fastens in the place of the hitch arms.

On most of your comments it looks like we are in agreement though.

 

[jenkinsph]

Yanmar 324 and 424 models.


And as far as log stack. Nobody burns 20 foot logs . . So you cut the log to 4 foot or 6 foot or 8 foot (depending on diameter) while its piled in the stack. Then pull it off the stack in that 4/6/8 foot length with your mini grapple and the gc1715 carries it to your cut and split location. My dad and I did it for years and we didn't even have a tractor or grapple.

I agree with this and wonder how we ever got firewood cut and stacked without a loader.
Just kidding, we cut the trees down, cut them up and loaded them in a pickup. Then stacked the stuff up to dry.

 

[AxleHub]

Nikko,

You could do.us all a benefit if you could give us an estimste of how much wood you plan to burn each year at your new house. You can express it in

A. Face cord size (8' long by 4' high by 16 inches deep)

Or by

B. Full cord size (8' long by 4' high by 4' deep)

Whichever you like. But it would help a great deal in knowing your wood use quantity you expect.

I sense it is less than many think . . as you mentioned a couple times you'd cut every one or two years.

 

[Ooklaa]

Axle when the wood companies drop off wood they are in long length, lengths varies im sure. They will pile it up one on top of another. im at a 4-5 cord burning a year. 4 feet high. 4 feet wide, 8 feet long. I buy in bulk for split wood. I Would by in bulk for log length 20 cords. I rotate now so that my wood is drying.

The log length wood by cut up and split over a period of time and I wood not need to order more form a couple of years.

You saying about the grapple for the gc has my face smiling tho. Have a video of it in action on a gc massey?

 

[TomSeller]

Gladehound,
I use cat 1 implements on my x749 too, don't have any cat 0 equipment and don't see much of it anywhere either. Everything I buy for the small stuff is IMatch quick coupler compatible. The only time I take off my IMatch is when I need to use the material collection system (MC519) cart which fastens in the place of the hitch arms.

On most of your comments it looks like we are in agreement though.

I thought Cat 0 mostly went by the wayside. Cat 1-limited Is basically what the smaller tractors have now. It can use standard Cat 1, just doesn't have the travel that a full Cat 1 tractor does. Then as you point out iMatch makes it irrelevant if you have newer compatible attachments.

 

[jenkinsph]

Axle when the wood companies drop off wood they are in long length, lengths varies im sure. They will pile it up one on top of another. im at a 4-5 cord burning a year. 4 feet high. 4 feet wide, 8 feet long. I buy in bulk for split wood. I Would by in bulk for log length 20 cords. I rotate now so that my wood is drying.

The log length wood by cut up and split over a period of time and I wood not need to order more form a couple of years.

You saying about the grapple for the gc has my face smiling tho. Have a video of it in action on a gc massey?

Not getting hurt would seem to be the issue with a log pile imo. I suggest you tie on to the top logs one at a time and pull them off from the end of the pile and cut them to size. A small tractor will do that easily in most cases. You may have an occasional tree that is too big to deal with full length but if you can pull out the other logs around it first you should be able to get it to roll to the bottom of the pile and then cut it up. Lots of older tractors for less than $10,000 can handle this and you could still get a nice mower for the lawn area.

 

[AxleHub]

Axle when the wood companies drop off wood they are in long length, lengths varies im sure. They will pile it up one on top of another. im at a 4-5 cord burning a year. 4 feet high. 4 feet wide, 8 feet long. I buy in bulk for split wood. I Would by in bulk for log length 20 cords. I rotate now so that my wood is drying.

The log length wood by cut up and split over a period of time and I wood not need to order more form a couple of years.

You saying about the grapple for the gc has my face smiling tho. Have a video of it in action on a gc massey?

Not a video but a website description. There is also a video but I have to find it.

MULTI-JAW GRAPPLE!

 

[jenkinsph]

I thought Cat 0 mostly went by the wayside. Cat 1-limited Is basically what the smaller tractors have now. It can use standard Cat 1, just doesn't have the travel that a full Cat 1 tractor does. Then as you point out iMatch makes it irrelevant if you have newer compatible attachments.

I agree but in looking at the 1025R yesterday I can see the hitch arms are a lot longer than on my garden tractor. While no where near as capable as my 4520 they look to be good enough for most small cat 1 implements. I did not start the 1025R to see how much travel the lift has but agree that the cat 1 limited is common to this size machine. Works well enough for most implements in this size. The problem is when all you have is a small machine or a large machine and it doesn't fit all of your needs. that is why I have suggested a mower and a separate tractor for the larger jobs.