Just got new Kioti Tractor

   / Just got new Kioti Tractor #21  
Thanks for all the replies. .

I will get more pictures this evening when I get back out to the tractor.

What's the difference between detent and non-detent?

It seems like the c/d lever is either on or off. Not like the reversible one but I'm not sure yet. I left it in the up position.

Working at a house right now and already used the backhoe to lift a carport cover that we are raising. Boy it sure was better than jack and blocks!

I am definitely going to get a thumb and would like to control it from the backhoe controls and also prefit the valves needed for grapple or something up front which would need a button on the joystick.

One more question : when you push the joystick to the loader all the way forward it stays till you pull it back. I think the diagram says float. What is this for and when would you use it?

NO, it should have a Neutral position in the middle, do not leave it in an engaged postion while running the tractor with nothing attached to the remote, that will really damage your pump. Detent is where the lever locks into a flow postion, like what your 2nd remote is right now, without detent you have to hold the lever to allow flow. All remotes should have a Neutral postion and 2 flow postions. They may or may not have a detent valve. Never leave a remote in detent with nothing hooked onto the remote, then you're pushing fluid and it has no where to go or come from, not good, causes performance issues and will kill the hydro pump if done consistently.

Float takes all pressure off the up/down loader circuit. It allow the bucket to "float" up and down with the contours of the ground. Various uses, like backgrading.
 
   / Just got new Kioti Tractor #22  
NO, it should have a Neutral position in the middle, do not leave it in an engaged postion while running the tractor with nothing attached to the remote, that will really damage your pump. Detent is where the lever locks into a flow postion, like what your 2nd remote is right now, without detent you have to hold the lever to allow flow. All remotes should have a Neutral postion and 2 flow postions. They may or may not have a detent valve. Never leave a remote in detent with nothing hooked onto the remote, then you're pushing fluid and it has no where to go or come from, not good, causes performance issues and will kill the hydro pump if done consistently.

Float takes all pressure off the up/down loader circuit. It allow the bucket to "float" up and down with the contours of the ground. Various uses, like backgrading.

Please pay attention to what was said about not leaving the remote valve in detent. Over a period of time it can really heat up the pump and the fluid. That is why I had my detent balls removed before the delivery of the tractor by the dealer. There is just too much danger of an inexperienced person leaving the lever in detent by mistake. In my opinion if you need to leave the lever in a flow position then use a bungee cord. Others might disagree and say well just don't do that, but it is pretty easy to accidentally knock the lever into detent.
 
   / Just got new Kioti Tractor #23  
Please pay attention to what was said about not leaving the remote valve in detent. Over a period of time it can really heat up the pump and the fluid. That is why I had my detent balls removed before the delivery of the tractor by the dealer. There is just too much danger of an inexperienced person leaving the lever in detent by mistake. In my opinion if you need to leave the lever in a flow position then use a bungee cord. Others might disagree and say well just don't do that, but it is pretty easy to accidentally knock the lever into detent.
I won't disagree.
Detent balls cause more problems then they solve IMO.
Mine didn't come with detent, but if it did the balls would have been removed.
 
   / Just got new Kioti Tractor
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.Ok, did some work tonight and got to use the tractor a few minutes before it was dark and trying to rain.
I got some pics and I didn't leave detent valve on. I figured that's what it did was run c/d so when you push on it a little you can hear the pump strain so I never actually engaged it.

I've learned the loader is always on, no remote for it. The a/b needs up or down and that reverses flow or middle is no flow..

I see a red handle on the back near the remotes. Is that what one of you guys was asking about being inside or outside? There are lots of levers on this thing.

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   / Just got new Kioti Tractor #25  
.Ok, did some work tonight and got to use the tractor a few minutes before it was dark and trying to rain.
I got some pics and I didn't leave detent valve on. I figured that's what it did was run c/d so when you push on it a little you can hear the pump strain so I never actually engaged it.

I've learned the loader is always onon, no remote for it. The a/b needs up or down and that reverses flow or middle is no flow..

I see a red handle on the back near the remotes. Is that what one of you guys was asking about being inside or outside? There are lots of levers on this thing.

Here's the pics:. View attachment 445278View attachment 445279View attachment 445280View attachment 445281View attachment 445282View attachment 445283View attachment 445284View attachment 445285

Here's what I suggest. When you post pics edit them by putting a space between each pic. When you look at a preview of your post before posting it you will see bracket View attachment 445278
 
   / Just got new Kioti Tractor
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#26  
The loop idea is a good one and fixes any issues. Pictures edited. Thanks for the information.
 
   / Just got new Kioti Tractor #27  
I had my dealer make up a short loop of hydraulic hose with 2 male QA ends, that I insert into the two ports of my detented remote when I'm not using an implement like the backhoe, on the circuit. This eliminates the possibility of accidentally deadheading the hydraulic pump. No need to remove the detent balls or use bungees, etc.

This is another method of insuring that you dont accidently deadhead the pump. Lets define a few things either for the benefit of the original poster or others.

Deadhead the pump. Means operating the hydraulic pump into a "brick wall", in other words instead of the normal open center hydraulic flow path from the outlet of the hydraulic pump going thru the valves and piping and then dumping back into the tank (the transmission cavity of the tractor). The flow path is diverted by opening a valve but the flow path has no where to go as in being directed to a rear remote quick connect outlet with nothing terminated on that remote quick connect. So instead of the fluid returning back to the tank it looks into that "brick wall" of the quick connect, the pressure rises to the level that the Pressure Relief Valve is set for and the fluid then returns back to the tank thru the restriction of the Pressure Relief Valve.

This returning of the fluid to the tank thru the PRV, causes the hydraulic pump to "work very hard" and causes the fluid to heat up and the pump to heat up and causes the engine to work against this load.

When Coyote, put his loop of hydraulic hose between the two rear remote outlets, he was insuring that even if he accidently left his remote valve in the detented position causing the fluid flow to go to what would normally be a "brick wall" without this loop, but with this loop the fluid flow now can go thru this loop of hose, and return relatively unimpeded back to the tank, not causing the pressure to spike up, and not causing the PRV to have to open. This allows the pump to pump the normal flow rate without straining itself by looking into a "brick wall" deadheaded condition.

Now to explain the relationship of pump flowrate and pressure. The first thing you need to understand is that, pumps don't make pressure they make flow. This is something you really need to understand to understand all that I have posted above. To explain that in more detail, a pressure rise only occurs when the flow of the pump comes up against a restriction. When a "brick wall" type of restriction is encountered, in other words a total restriction to the flow of the pump then the pressure would rise indefinitely until either a Pressure Relief Valve opened at some preset pressure or one of the lines/hoses burst or the pump turns into a grenade and explodes. Something has got to give.

The normal restriction to the flow of fluid from the pump is for example a hydraulic cylinder. As the flow is directed to the end of a cylinder the cylinder does not want to move. The flow of fluid is restricted by looking into the end of the cylinder so the pressure starts to rise. The pressure rise continues until the piston in the cylinder starts to move, and when it does so and continues to move the fluid flow continues into the bore of cylinder and the pressure stabilizes, until the piston reaches the end of its travel then if you continue to apply fluid flow to the end of the piston in the cylinder which can no longer move, then the fluid flow is impeded and the pump "deadheads" and the Pressure Releif Valve opens to relieve this pressure. The engine strains, the pump heats up the PRV squeals, and if you have a brain in your head, you let off of the control valve.:)
 
   / Just got new Kioti Tractor #28  
The loop idea is a good one and fixes any issues. Pictures edited. Thanks for the information.

No problem, you're welcome.
I can't find a recent reference to the Bigfoot pads I recommended; mine are metal, and have a folded down right angle on all sides that grips the ground securely, unlike the bare foot pads your hoe came with. I'll ask my dealer when I stop in this afternoon about his sources.

BTW, The above post by KOua is available for CEC, (continuing education credit) 2 points, at local colleges and universities in the US and parts of Canada.:D
'Brain in head' is an optional feature....and a prerequisite for understanding that a loop in the circuit will solve the problem of killing the hydro pump.:confused3::)
 
   / Just got new Kioti Tractor #29  
No problem, you're welcome.
I can't find a recent reference to the Bigfoot pads I recommended; mine are metal, and have a folded down right angle on all sides that grips the ground securely, unlike the bare foot pads your hoe came with. I'll ask my dealer when I stop in this afternoon about his sources.

BTW, The above post by KOua is available for CEC, (continuing education credit) 2 points, at local colleges and universities in the US and parts of Canada.:D
'Brain in head' is an optional feature....and a prerequisite for understanding that a loop in the circuit will solve the problem of killing the hydro pump.:confused3::)

Yeah, I think I knew everything he said (probably because he explained it somewhere else) but I could have never explained it that well. That's impressive k0ua.
 
   / Just got new Kioti Tractor
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#30  
When you hear the pump strain it's pretty obvious what's happening but I know there have been people that didn't recognize the sound.
 

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