First Post: Engine Swap Kioti LB2204

[stutzfam815]

This is my first post although I joined this site over a year ago. I thought this might help someone else in the same situation.

Last winter my Kioti LB2204 threw a rod and after splitting the tractor I found a hole in the block behind the starter. The Kioti dealer could no longer order a block and a replacement engine through them was $4300. The replacement engine they could get was actually for the 2554 because Kioti no longer makes the engine for the LB2204. Since money was tight I had to look into options to get my tractor running again. Kubota seemed like the most likely since there are a large number of used Kubota engines for sale in the US.

During my research I found out about the joint venture between Daedong and Kubota in the early eighties to build tractors. Daedong designed the sheet metal on the tractor and provided the transmission while Kubota supplied the engines. The partnership between the two companies was ended because Kubota suspected Daedong of stealing proprietary information.

After taking measurements of my engine and comparing them to the information on the following website I decided a D1402/3 Kubota engine would be the best to try for an engine swap.

www.dieselenginemotor.com/kubota/super03/page2.html

I finally found a Kubota D1402 engine on Craigslist for $500 and I bought it not knowing if it would fit. The engine fit in the tractor with ease. I was able to use the oil pan, oil pickup tube, starter, flywheel, alternator, alternator bracket, pilot bearing, bell housing, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, accessory drive gear, hydraulic pump, fan, belt, and radiator hoses from my old engine.

It appears that they copied Kubota's engine design really good.

I only had to make a pull lever for the fuel shut off from the pump to the dash and plug the extra cooling line that connected below the fuel pump on my old engine. The left front upper bolt in the block did not line up with the hole in the frame but the other 7 line up perfectly.

I got the engine in and running in two days and then immediately started catching up on the jobs I couldn't complete in the 9 months my tractor was down.

The new engine runs better than the old ever did since I bought it at an auction in 2007. This engine is also about 5hp more than the original engine.

 

[Dmace]

Nice job! :thumbsup: Any pics?

 

[Johndeere3720]

nice job! :thumbsup: Have you got to do much work with your tractor since you got it fixed?

 

[JoelD]

Great post
Great job

 

[stutzfam815]

Sorry guys I was so excited to finally have an engine I just started putting it together. It was as straight forward as it would have been with a factory replacement.

After I got the engine in I dug a 75ft trench 30in deep to run electricity out to the gas shed so we don't have to run an extension cord out every time we want to fuel up the equipment.

I did some dirt work around my 24'x48' shed at my place so the water will runaway from the shed. Just waiting for more time to get more dirt work done around the house.

 

[LBrown59]

This is my first post although I joined this site over a year ago. I thought this might help someone else in the same situation.

Last winter my Kioti LB2204 threw a rod and after splitting the tractor I found a hole in the block behind the starter. The Kioti dealer could no longer order a block and a replacement engine through them was $4300. The replacement engine they could get was actually for the 2554 because Kioti no longer makes the engine for the LB2204. Since money was tight I had to look into options to get my tractor running again. Kubota seemed like the most likely since there are a large number of used Kubota engines for sale in the US.

During my research I found out about the joint venture between Daedong and Kubota in the early eighties to build tractors. Daedong designed the sheet metal on the tractor and provided the transmission while Kubota supplied the engines. The partnership between the two companies was ended because Kubota suspected Daedong of stealing proprietary information.

After taking measurements of my engine and comparing them to the information on the following website I decided a D1402/3 Kubota engine would be the best to try for an engine swap.

www.dieselenginemotor.com/kubota/super03/page2.html

I finally found a Kubota D1402 engine on Craigslist for $500 and I bought it not knowing if it would fit. The engine fit in the tractor with ease. I was able to use the oil pan, oil pickup tube, starter, flywheel, alternator, alternator bracket, pilot bearing, bell housing, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, accessory drive gear, hydraulic pump, fan, belt, and radiator hoses from my old engine.

It appears that they copied Kubota's engine design really good.

I only had to make a pull lever for the fuel shut off from the pump to the dash and plug the extra cooling line that connected below the fuel pump on my old engine. The left front upper bolt in the block did not line up with the hole in the frame but the other 7 line up perfectly.

I got the engine in and running in two days and then immediately started catching up on the jobs I couldn't complete in the 9 months my tractor was down.

The new engine runs better than the old ever did since I bought it at an auction in 2007. This engine is also about 5hp more than the original engine.

Good one.Congrats on a job well done.

 

[VictorW]

You did your homework and it paid off. Nice job. Also, thanks for the info. I'm sure it will help others with those models.

 

[JoelD]

Amazing the information on the Internet

 

[CalTrac]

6-28-11, why did you have to "split" the tractor apart..? Nothing in my repair manual says that's necessary; also, you didn't mention about matching up the transmission with the engine how was that done...? Your story sound like "too much sugar." Two hours to do all this...! takes me a hour just to change the oil and filter. Sound's bogus to me..!

 

[IslandTractor]

6-28-11, why did you have to "split" the tractor apart..? Nothing in my repair manual says that's necessary; also, you didn't mention about matching up the transmission with the engine how was that done...? Your story sound like "too much sugar." Two hours to do all this...! takes me a hour just to change the oil and filter. Sound's bogus to me..!

He said two DAYS not hours. Sounds reasonable for someone who knows what they are doing as the OP clearly does.

 

[Kernopelli]

6-28-11, why did you have to "split" the tractor apart..? Nothing in my repair manual says that's necessary; also, you didn't mention about matching up the transmission with the engine how was that done...? Your story sound like "too much sugar." Two hours to do all this...! takes me a hour just to change the oil and filter. Sound's bogus to me..!

Sounds plausible to me. So he split the tractor, unnecessary at least initially but is it really an issue? He might have had a reason not explained in the post and just mentioned that he had already split the tractor. One things for sure, it appears that that era of Kioti/Daedong was using similar designs as the "LXX02" kubotas. He did say he used the old bell housing and from everything I've read, the Japanese use standardized bellhousing dimensions just like the SAE sizes so it's not hard to imagine he was able to do his homework and figure out the trans match-up. I didn't read anywhere where he claimed this only took him 2 hours.....

Honestly, I have thought many times that if my engine ever catastrophically fails, the first thing I'm doing is calling Bruce Laten and seeing what he has in stock with a little more HP and basically doing what this man did.

 

[dennis52]

I recently saw a table that was provided to Kioti dealers which listed the range of Daedong (Kioti) engines that were compatible as replacement engines in various Kubota models.

 

[jimybud]

Can someone provide a comparison of the Kioti and Kubota engines that are compatible.

This thread provides an indication that there are several engine models of the two manufactures that are similar but does not offer much detail to the specifics.

A web reference would be fine as well.

 

[dennis52]

Can someone provide a comparison of the Kioti and Kubota engines that are compatible.

This thread provides an indication that there are several engine models of the two manufactures that are similar but does not offer much detail to the specifics.

A web reference would be fine as well.

Found the direct link.

http://downloads.pfgaustralia.com.au/intranetwebcache/Parts/QuickRef/DA/Engine exchange Info.pdf

 

[jimybud]

What are the differences between the TD950 and the 3C093?

is the bore the same?

Are the piston liners identical and same part number?

 

[MotorSeven]

$500 for a used engine...that is an amazing score.

 

[joel904]

im new to working on tractors as well, and would like to know what he means by "splitting " tractor as I have a Kioti 2550 that needs a new clutch . I have yet figured out how to do it. (No repair manual)....Thanks Joel 904

 

[kiotiken]

im new to working on tractors as well, and would like to know what he means by "splitting " tractor as I have a Kioti 2550 that needs a new clutch . I have yet figured out how to do it. (No repair manual)....Thanks Joel 904

Well, a tractor doesn't have a traditional frame like a car or truck, the drive train makes up the frame. Some repairs, such as a clutch (sorry), require the drive train to be separated to gain access. You literally end up with a split tractor with the front on one side of the room and the rear at the other.

 

[NewToy]

He said two DAYS not hours. Sounds reasonable for someone who knows what they are doing as the OP clearly does.

prolly take him two years to do the eng swap

 

[Montana mike]

Hi we are walking the same dog. I have a Montana 3240 with the daedong 1.7 engine . It kicked a rod and engine is toast. I read your post and think a 1402 would work also for me my engine looks the same . I found a new complete crate engine but it's 4000 . I called around for info on d1402 but some of the tractor junk yards need a model number for the tractor to match up the d 1402