Where is the American Dream kive and well?

   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #91  
Home of the fighting Irish.Been there quite a few times.We live about 1.0 hours from the Indiana state line.We visit there frequently..

Yeah, I joke about South Bend quite a bit. Been here all my life. No plans on leaving. We're about 5 miles south of the Michigan line. Spend a lot of time in Michigan. :thumbsup:
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #92  
Wow, that is a great story! Just think what your father could have done if he had lived here. :thumbsup: Please tell us some more when you have time/feel like doing so. I just love to hear stories of how someone came out of a terrible situation and persevered to win despite everything being against them from the beginning.
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #93  
When time became like money, the American Dream as we knew it for the average grunt, ended. In the 50's , a house cost 10- 12,000. You made $5000 or half the cost of the house. If you were making 10K per year, you were considered "rich". Now you make $54,000 but the house cost $240,000 or 4 times what you make. My last year of college cost $2,200. At this very same college, the tuition is $55,000 per year. A new car was $2,800. That car cost $25,000 or again, half of what you make. Trouble is, it takes a lot more time to pay off $25,000 than it did to pay off $2,800.
So basically, there is generally too much debt and prices have outstripped wages by a larger percentage.

It didn't matter anymore if one didn't have the money. Just give them "time".

Part of this can be attributed to more dollars chasing goods with the advent of the dual income family with both spouses working and I work with a lot of women that make as much or more than their husbands...
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #94  
From the Library of Congress website...

Students - Procedure - The American Dream - Lesson Plan | Teacher Resources - Library of Congress

"What is the American Dream?
James Truslow Adams, in his book The Epic of America, which was written in 1931, stated that the American dream is "that dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement. It is a difficult dream for the European upper classes to interpret adequately, and too many of us ourselves have grown weary and mistrustful of it. It is not a dream of motor cars and high wages merely, but a dream of social order in which each man and each woman shall be able to attain to the fullest stature of which they are innately capable, and be recognized by others for what they are, regardless of the fortuitous circumstances of birth or position." (p.214-215)

The authors of the United States’ Declaration of Independence held certain truths to be self-evident: that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Might this sentiment be considered the foundation of the American Dream?

Were homesteaders who left the big cities of the east to find happiness and their piece of land in the unknown wilderness pursuing these inalienable Rights? Were the immigrants who came to the United States looking for their bit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, their Dream? And what did the desire of the veteran of World War II - to settle down, to have a home, a car and a family - tell us about this evolving Dream? Is the American Dream attainable by all Americans?

Some say, that the American Dream has become the pursuit of material prosperity - that people work more hours to get bigger cars, fancier homes, the fruits of prosperity for their families - but have less time to enjoy their prosperity. Others say that the American Dream is beyond the grasp of the working poor who must work two jobs to insure their family’s survival. Yet others look toward a new American Dream with less focus on financial gain and more emphasis on living a simple, fulfilling life.

Thomas Wolfe said, "…to every man, regardless of his birth, his shining, golden opportunity ….the right to live, to work, to be himself, and to become whatever thing his manhood and his vision can combine to make him."

Is this your American Dream?"
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #95  
I don't know... for me, a warm home, good food and someone to share it with is about as good as it gets. All the other stuff is just stuff.
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #96  
And my mom ( a child of the depression ) used to tell me, "Money isn't everything. But it sure helps."

You need health insurance.
Rent/mortgage.
Food.
Utilities.
Clothes.

And a job, or two or three.

I still think people can make it today if they plan from high school and have some sort of family support structure to help them get a grub stake. Stay at home. Get a full time job or a couple/three part-time jobs. Go to community college, trade school, etc... to get some credentials. Network with people you meet at school and training. Get in and get to work. Pay yourself first with 15% of your earning into a ROTH IRA tied to the stock market and pretend you don't have it. Then learn to get by on what's left over. Meet a life partner that you can get along with that also has a job and a history of work and savings. Treat them as a business partner with benefits. ;) Marriage is a business. Each partner has specific tasks (some of which can be shared or shifted). Wait to have kids until you can afford to have kids. If you have kids, start a 529 college plan for them the day they're born. Put $20 a week into that 529 plan and they'll have $40k for college by the end of high school. Cross your fingers. Hope you or your spouse or children don't have any catastrophic health issues, and never ever live up to your means, let alone above your means. You can live small, buy good used cars, live in a warm, dry home, eat well, take nice vacations, raise children to be good adults, etc... on average wages. What more do you want? :confused3:
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #97  
I still think people can make it today .................What more do you want?

To summarize: finish school, get married, have kids. In that order.:)

Steve
 
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   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #98  
To summarize: finish school, get married, have kids. In that order.:)

Steve

Seldom seeing this today in my little circle...

Even 20 years ago the new 4 year grad nurses we hired were almost always single but engaged... having put off marriage until after graduation and a year or so on the new job here at the hospital.

The last couple of years the majority of our new grad RN's have one child and are not married and a 50/50 chance they are still with the father of their child...

It's a huge shift and the women are typically in the 24 to 27 age range... many want a child early with or without a permanent man in their life...

Just my observation here in the SF Bay Area...
 
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   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #99  
Seldom seeing this today in my little circle...

Even 20 years ago the new 4 year grad nurses we hired were almost always single but engaged... having put off marriage until after graduation and a year or so on the new job here at the hospital.

The last couple of years the majority of our new grad RN's have one child and are not married and a 50/50 chance they are still with the father of their child...

It's a huge shift and the women are typically in the 24 to 27 age range... many want a child early without or without a permanent man in their life...

Just my observation here in the SF Bay Area...

30 years ago I had a conversation with a good friend of mine, a woman with two children and no husband. I asked her about that. She said, "the only thing a man has that I need is a xxxk, and I can get that whenever I want, I don't need to marry one." She saw a husband as an unnecessary and expensive encumbrance.
 
   / Where is the American Dream kive and well? #100  
It does seem the value of a father has been marginalized...

I've seen this going back to the early 80's when I managed low income rental property... there were plenty of kids... just no husbands... like clockwork the boyfriends would all disappear around the first of the month when the checks went out... only to return around week 3 when the money had been spent and cash was low...

Some of the women could be as sweet as pie when they wanted something and as cold as stone when they didn't...

The under 30 professional women with good careers, earning 100k, worked hard to become a Registered Nurse and are just starting their careers... often hear a husband would make that complicated... having one child not nearly so much...

Switching gears...

The last 5 homes sold in my area all went to same sex couples and most couples have a child... 4 are lesbian couples and 1 a gay couple with no children.

All preferred San Francisco and found themselves priced out...

They like living here, they are very good neighbors, have money to spend on home improvements and are all dual income professionals with advanced degrees...

They are following their American Dreams...
 

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