ck2510 upping the HP

[finaddictmike]

Anyone noticed the CK2510 uses the same block as the CK27 which isn't made anymore?
I'm curious if its a fairly simple process to up the power on the 25

 

[Highgear]

One word = Turbo.. I worked for a company that built high pressure water blasters . Every diesel engine we used had a Turbo . From 600 hp. Cat - 125 hp Perkins

 

[TJP89]

The CK2510 is the Tier 4 replacement of the CK27, which is sometimes called the CK25. I'm know the HP was between 25 and 28, and I'd bet that's where the HP is on the CK2510. May be tinkered with to get within Tier 4 specs.

 

[dfkrug]

May be tinkered with to get within Tier 4 specs.

Does the Tier 4 CK2510 use a DPF system? How about electronic controls on the FI
pump?

In the US, there is no enforcement of emissions on tractors used at home AFAIK, so one
could eliminate the fancy soot-cooker and put a turbo in there. With mechanical
FI pumps, you can increase the fuel volume by increasing the relief pressure.
I have not done that on a diesel before, but I did do a lot of FI adjustments for
a custom twin turbo system on a gasoline engine with mechanical FI.

 

[Buggs67]

Anyone noticed the CK2510 uses the same block as the CK27 which isn't made anymore?
I'm curious if its a fairly simple process to up the power on the 25

I've noticed this before and questioned it here in forums. The difference in the engine designation is the 3 letters that follow. I'd guess someone at Kioti would know that answer but good luck. They always just quote the manual at you or say ask the dealer. I wonder if the understated the HP for some emissions reason. I'm not sure additional power would help. I would think the limiting factor on an HST machine would be the Hydraulic pump capacity.

My question is whether the relief valves and by-pass is set correctly. Because in my view if the relief is set too low the loader or BH will go into bypass before it's at max effort. I guess I need to buy a gauge to test it and learn how to adjust the valve.

 

[dfkrug]

I would think the limiting factor on an HST machine would be the Hydraulic
pump capacity.

In terms of how your tractor performs, i.e. how much work it does and how fast it does it, your
engine output is your primary limiting factor.

In an HST tractor, the power that is transmitted to the wheels to do work is a product of the
HST's flow rate and pressure. So a 25 hp engine might deliver, say 21 hp to the wheels thru
an HST, and maybe 23 hp to the wheels thru a gear trans. The HST is less efficient.

On my Kioti, the HST uses 2 pressure relief valves, and they are not adjustable (without surgery).
The CK35 shares one RV..... I don't know what the 2510 uses. Setting the HST RV pressure
higher will not increase the work output of the tractor, however.

 

[Buggs67]

In terms of how your tractor performs, i.e. how much work it does and how fast it does it, your
engine output is your primary limiting factor.

In an HST tractor, the power that is transmitted to the wheels to do work is a product of the
HST's flow rate and pressure. So a 25 hp engine might deliver, say 21 hp to the wheels thru
an HST, and maybe 23 hp to the wheels thru a gear trans. The HST is less efficient.

On my Kioti, the HST uses 2 pressure relief valves, and they are not adjustable (without surgery).
The CK35 shares one RV..... I don't know what the 2510 uses. Setting the HST RV pressure
higher will not increase the work output of the tractor, however.

I was talking about the relief valves for the FEL and BH. I'm not gonna mess around with the tractor's drive system. I figure they already optimized it at the factory. But the valves for the FEL and BH are added at the dealership and since the setup dealer was so incompetent they might be set low, go into bypass at too low a pressure.

 

[dfkrug]

I was talking about the relief valves for the FEL and BH. I'm not gonna mess around with the tractor's drive system. I figure they already optimized it at the factory. But the valves for the FEL and BH are added at the dealership and since the setup dealer was so incompetent they might be set low, go into bypass at too low a pressure.

Note that Kioti's tractors are made in Korea, imported to a distributor, then assembled either by the disti or
the dealer. For my 3 new Kiotis, final assembly was the dealer's job, which I was able to bypass. The one
new Bobcat CT230 (almost the same as the Kioti CK30) I bought was assembled from the crate by the disti
in North Dakota, and they screwed up badly by not testing and setting the implement pump relief. It was
set way too high at 3000psi. The dealer did no checking.

I would think that initial RV settings and QA would be done at first start-up in Korea, but still should be
checked by the disti or dealer before the customer gets the unit. You can not assume that it was done
correctly, or that it was set too LOW.

 

[Buggs67]

I hadn't thought of being set too high. I don't know how to do this and don't want to transport it to the dealer to have him do it. There used to be a mobile
mechanic around here. I'll have to look into that.