2015 Tire Fluid Question

[knukey]

So we had a blizzard in my area recently. I had 18"+ on my driveway. The 2015 with no fluid did fine until I got to a hill. I was scooping snow out and dumping to the side. Once I got to the hill (around 12% slope) I got stuck in the road. I could not back up the incline with the loader filled and eventually I got stuck (couldn't push myself out with loader). I'm Monday morning quarter backing now on the merits of filling the tires with ballast. I'm thinking antifreeze and water. The chart I found for my R4 tires show 15 gal (or 160 #/wheel) rear and 5.5 gal ( or 59 #/wheel) would be obtained by filling. The question is would the ballast help?

 

[Jabonee]

Not a big fan ballasting the tires. Seen too many tractors of all brands with premature ware and failure of axles and final drives. I would recommend a 3pt mount ballast box.:thumbsup:

 

[MMagis]

Weight will help, but my guess is a set of chains may have helped even more.

Not a big fan ballasting the tires. Seen too many tractors of all brands with premature ware and failure of axles and final drives. I would recommend a 3pt mount ballast box.:thumbsup:

That defies logic.

 

[reeltime]

If you're removing snow from asphalt I would not go chains

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[AchingBack]

So we had a blizzard in my area recently. I had 18"+ on my driveway. The 2015 with no fluid did fine until I got to a hill. I was scooping snow out and dumping to the side. Once I got to the hill (around 12% slope) I got stuck in the road. I could not back up the incline with the loader filled and eventually I got stuck (couldn't push myself out with loader). I'm Monday morning quarter backing now on the merits of filling the tires with ballast. I'm thinking antifreeze and water. The chart I found for my R4 tires show 15 gal (or 160 #/wheel) rear and 5.5 gal ( or 59 #/wheel) would be obtained by filling. The question is would the ballast help?

Any dealer who sells a tractor with a loader and allows it to leave the lot without loaded tires is negligent. The manual for my 106 Mahindra loader specifically states: Add recommended level of liquid to rear tires, or wheel weights, for added stability.

If I really had the need, I would also ballast the front tires, as others have done here. Don't mind Jabonee's comment, in fact, one of Mahindra's biggest selling points is superior axle size/strength. Obviously Jabonee wasn't referring to Mahindra. Or was he? He said he has seen it, (axle failure, final drive failure) happen in all brands. I've been on this forum long enough to know no one has ever discussed broken Mahindra axles, etc.. due to liquid weight being added. Perhaps it did happen but it was a tractor owned by a person not on TBN.

 

[MMagis]

Tire ballast places the weight on the ground, 3pt ballast transfers the weight through the tractor before it gets to the ground. Any axle failure he’s seen didn’t come because of filled tires. If anything is going to cause premature axle failure (which is extremely rare), it’s adding 3pt ballast.

 

[mcfarmall]

Rim Guard with chains and you'll be unstoppable.

 

[oldpilgrim]

Whatever you choose to fill them with, just do it. They should all come filled.

You'll be surprised at the difference it makes.

I could not back up the incline with the loader filled

did you use 4 wd ? That should have done it for you.

 

[alafarm]

Would not want my tires loaded for several reasons. One of the main reasons I bought a Mahindra. I am moving rock now with my 5035 with a 73 inch bucket. I can move all the rock I can get to stay on the bucket without any ballast at all on level ground. I would not want to raise the bucket up high while moving and on hills I have to use 4x4. I usually ballast with a piece of equipment but not absolutely neccesary. Safer, sure but I also use my tractor around the house and places in the wet and winter weather that I do not want a tractor that weighs 10,000 lb running around the yard. The main reason I decided against the Kubota was the empty bucket on the 5100 would almost lift the rear off the ground without loaded tires. To each his own, but I would not want a dealer loading my tires automatically. Also, makes it a bear to trailer the weight.

 

[s219]

Not a big fan ballasting the tires. Seen too many tractors of all brands with premature ware and failure of axles and final drives. I would recommend a 3pt mount ballast box.:thumbsup:

Ballast inside the tires cannot load or wear the axles, etc. However, a ballast box certainly could. But really, any serious tractor should be capable of handling a ballast box without atypical wear.

 

[oosik]

My first tractor(Ford 1700 4WD) had filled rear tires and no problems with axles, etc for 25 years. My current tractor has Rimguard in the rears and I would not be without it. If you fill your rear tires and still have traction problems - then chains. My Ford with filled rear tires and chains all the way around would climb trees.

I don't like chains - very rough, cobbie ride but a heavy duty set of V-bars will give fantastic traction. The chains will also do a number on a yard, asphalt and even cement driveways.

 

[Jabonee]

Weight will help, but my guess is a set of chains may have helped even more.





That defies logic.

Defies logic. How so??:confused3:

 

[MMagis]

It’s backwards. Tire fluid is setting directly on the ground, only the tire rubber separating the fluid and ground. There is no added weight applied to the tractor. With 3pt ballast, all of that weight is transferred through the tractor before it gets to the ground.

 

[MMagis]

It's backwards. Tire fluid is setting directly on the ground, only the tire rubber separating the fluid and ground. There is no added weight applied to the tractor. With 3pt ballast, all of that weight is transferred through the tractor before it gets to the ground.

 

[Jabonee]

Not a big fan ballasting the tires. Seen too many tractors of all brands with premature ware and failure of axles and final drives. I would recommend a 3pt mount ballast box.:thumbsup:

Let me try to be a little more clear. I was not referring to Mahindra specifically. Over my 30 plus years of tractor experience with many brand name tractors,11 of which were with JD, You get to see the trends of failures and what causes them. I worked close with engineers in the field when testing prototypes. Ballasting the tires verses using a ballast box has its pros and cons. JD had issues that I helped resolve with ballasting tires causing clutches and brakes to ware and fail. Case in point. 1980s Case "orchard special" Two identical tractors. Purchased at the same time and had roughly the same hours on them. Customer(golf course) wants the brakes replaced and leaking axle seals replaced on both tractors. When the units arrived at the shop it was clear only one tractor was leaking and the brakes were shot with no more adjustment. The customer was contacted to confirm that they wanted the work done on both tractors. They said because of the same amount of time on both units that if one was failing the other was not far behind.Guess which tractor had ballasted tires! It depends on the manufacturer and most importantly the OPERATOR. Dealers have a in house saying. The customer is always right. They can pay use now or pay big later!

 

[Jabonee]

Tire ballast places the weight on the ground, 3pt ballast transfers the weight through the tractor before it gets to the ground. Any axle failure he痴 seen didn稚 come because of filled tires. If anything is going to cause premature axle failure (which is extremely rare), it痴 adding 3pt ballast.

True a ballast box does put added weight on the tractor(axles) But so does a backhoe.Most major brand tractors offer backhoes. Ballasting the tires puts extra strain on the whole drive system! Think about it. How much torque force is required to turn a 50lb tire verses a 200lb tire. How about inertia? Think of the brake force required to stop a ballasted tire! Remember, a rotating object gains Mass. :thumbsup:

 

[Jabonee]

It's backwards. Tire fluid is setting directly on the ground, only the tire rubber separating the fluid and ground. There is no added weight applied to the tractor. With 3pt ballast, all of that weight is transferred through the tractor before it gets to the ground.

The fluid is only standing on the ground when the tractor is stopped. As the wheel moves forward the fluid moves backwards. Theres physics involved. Newtons laws of motion. On inicial movement of the tire the fluid moves aft almost 90 degrees. Then varies as speed changes. :thumbsup:

 

[MMagis]

That’s only partially correct, but that’s not the point. You claimed you’ve seen “too many premature axle failures” due to loaded tires, which isn’t possible. Then you recommended a 3pt ballast box, which is anything was going to cause premature axle failure, that would be it.

 

[Jabonee]

That痴 only partially correct, but that痴 not the point. You claimed you致e seen 鍍oo many premature axle failures due to loaded tires, which isn稚 possible. Then you recommended a 3pt ballast box, which is anything was going to cause premature axle failure, that would be it.

Sugest you read my posts more carefully and sign up for some night courses. I suggest mechanical engineering, and motion physics 101.:laughing:To the others out there following this thread. Do what works for you. :thumbsup:

 

[MMagis]

Already did, got my degree years ago. Perhaps you need a refresher. Regardless, do what you want. But when you make baseless claims, you should expect people to point it out.