Just can't make my mind up....Ugh

[AxleHub]

Why would Kubota have a lot longer to redo it over and over, or have more time to develop their website? Both have been selling tractors for many decades, and the internet showed up at the same time for both. Yes, the BX has been around a lot longer than the GC, but you'd think any modern company could put together a pretty polished brochure and website without much trouble....although many are pretty lacking.

I tend to sense that most tractor buyers aren't spending much time on the internet looking at specs, brochures or videos. They go to the dealer, look at some machines, and often buy from that very dealer, and most companies know (assume?) this? I think that may be why they don't put much effort into their websites. The other thing that sort of fits with this is that Kubota has gone out of their way to target new tractor buyers as a core market, while most of the other tractor companies are really focusing on much bigger, more expensive machines. That means Kubota would be smart to have a better website, with more information readily available for those folks who don't really know much/anything about tractors...and generally they do.

Then again, I could be completely wrong :confused3:

Greetings Gman,

I still have brochures from my state fair visits in 2006 and 2007 on Yanmar and Kubota. What a brochure tells you about a company's vision is who they think will be their future customer. Kubota had a substantial viewpoint already in 2006 that small units was their competitive advantage and their brochures are expensive, colorful, and very detail oriented on attachments and women and older men as an operator.

They recognized what big companies did not . . . . that their bx especially and small b units were not about farms and fields . . they were about homes in rural areas and hobby ranches and wood surrounded areas. My point is because they were one of just a couple players in the early years, they had time to figure out what decisionmakers in their desired market area . . . needed.

Big product companies had a much different customer base and administration vision. If you asked dealers just 5 years ago what was their preferred customer . . . many would tell you it was the mid sized ag customer who bought close to the dealership because their units were big . . and repeat sales. To be honest . . Big sizes of tractor kept customers closer.

Big companies often have weak vision about future trends as their many decades in operation was based on totally different marketing needs than today.

I've spoken with sevetal dealers over the last couple of years . . And they readily admit that when big equipment sales plunged . . they were incredibly grateful and thankful and stunned that the scut market fired up just at the same time. Like most people . . dealers settled into an image and predictable pattern for decades . . that changed radically. Suddenly their survival was in smaller equipment they scoffed at a few years earlier.

Massey/Agco's changes with their dealers in early 2013 was a watershed event. And as a result numerous Kubota dealers reluctantly started to have a couple Massey GC units at their dealerships. But today in those same dealerships . . they see advantages in having both . . but even as of spring 2015 I noted their awareness was influenced by people like me who knew more about the product than they did. I wrote many posts back in that period about sales people looking on the computer to even find the advantages or options I was telling them about . . because they just wanted to stay with whst they knew (kubota).


On that list of 13 items I previously wrote today . . 3 dealerships at the time never knew about 40% of the items I listed. But they started learning fast when other dealerships were calling them for transfers lol.

The scut market imo is all about buyer awareness . . and smart dealerships are adapting fast now. Which is exactly why I always encourage wouldbe buyers to contact multiple dealers . . .find out who is adapting and who is stuck in the early 2000s yet.

 

[zzvyb6]

Have your wife pick it. Women are better shoppers. Or just wait a few years and see which company goes out of business. Then decide.

 

[JFoy]

Morning 12Bravo. I recently bought a SCUT myself. I plowed over all the research, built spreadsheets, did a list of pro's n con's, etc. Ultimately, I accepted what everyone was telling me - all the units would do what I wanted - I just needed to determine three things. 1. Best riding / feeling unit. 2. Best unit to operate. and 3., Dealer with whom I was most comfortable. With those three questions, it was easy then and I ultimately chose a Kubota BX25D.

Hope that helps.

 

[TSO]

I believe the Massey has the edge on hydraulics, and can run at lower RPM's. Also, I prefer the dual pedal setup over the treadle/rocker pedal, but that's user preference.

I've got a good Kubota dealer a couple miles away, and two Massey dealers within 30 mins, one of which (my primary dealer) is amazing.

Having a good dealer is important, but in reality, you won't need alot of dealer interaction, especially with the Massey units (in my experience with two Massey units). Most new machines from most brands will be trouble free.

You can also lookup parts from AGCO parts online... You'll be able to look thru very detailed diagrams to find exactly which part you might need for your Massey. Then you just call your dealer and have them order it. Very simple.

 

[AxleHub]

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You can also lookup parts from AGCO parts online... You'll be able to look thru very detailed diagrams to find exactly which part you might need for your Massey. Then you just call your dealer and have them order it. Very simple.

TSO, In addition to the 2 pedals that makes it easier on my knee on my GC1715 . . I also like the brake on the left side location and the dif lock up near that area too when i have boots on.

As yet I've still never seen in person any of the GC2300s or gc2400s or gc2600s of prior years (before 2013).

I do have a question thats dumb but I don't mind laughter lol. . . . when posters refer often to the idea of "parts" . . . I'm always a little confused. Fuel filters and oil filters and air cleaners etc. for un8ts like the GC Massey products are available in compatibles at Napa and O'Reillys etc.. When people are refering to parts outside of these maintenance items . . . I'm just wondering if there are alot of breakage type part replacement requirements or belts or ???? that are frequently needed specific from agco or a dealer ???? I'm just curious what kinds if "parts" budget I should start planning for other than extra blades for the mulcher deck . . Or a light bulb for a directional etc. ?

And do you have a web address where you were describing you get items from?

Thanks.

P.S. which model of Massey do you have besides the 1652 ?

 

[TSO]

TSO, In addition to the 2 pedals that makes it easier on my knee on my GC1715 . . I also like the brake on the left side location and the dif lock up near that area too when i have boots on.

As yet I've still never seen in person any of the GC2300s or gc2400s or gc2600s of prior years (before 2013).

I do have a question thats dumb but I don't mind laughter lol. . . . when posters refer often to the idea of "parts" . . . I'm always a little confused. Fuel filters and oil filters and air cleaners etc. for un8ts like the GC Massey products are available in compatibles at Napa and O'Reillys etc.. When people are refering to parts outside of these maintenance items . . . I'm just wondering if there are alot of breakage type part replacement requirements or belts or ???? that are frequently needed specific from agco or a dealer ???? I'm just curious what kinds if "parts" budget I should start planning for other than extra blades for the mulcher deck . . Or a light bulb for a directional etc. ?

And do you have a web address where you were describing you get items from?

Thanks.

P.S. which model of Massey do you have besides the 1652 ?

AGCO parts online

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Massey 1648 (sold at approx 600 hrs) and Massey 1652 (currently around 600 hrs).

Note: there are other parts items that a tractor owner may need beyond mechanical failures. I routinely break things on my tractor from use. Typically these are cosmetic items, like headlights, hazard lights, ripping off the coolant "quick-drain" valve, bending a bottom link stabilizer bracket, denting sheet metal, etc... These items are easily repaired by oneself, but you still need an easy way to look up the part numbers so you can call the dealer.

Additionally, my Massey uses internal metal screen filters for the hydraulic system, in addition to spin on HST filters. Those part numbers are extremely difficult to locate unless you have a source to look them up.

 

[12Bravo]

TSO, In addition to the 2 pedals that makes it easier on my knee on my GC1715 . . I also like the brake on the left side location and the dif lock up near that area too when i have boots on.

As yet I've still never seen in person any of the GC2300s or gc2400s or gc2600s of prior years (before 2013).

I do have a question thats dumb but I don't mind laughter lol. . . . when posters refer often to the idea of "parts" . . . I'm always a little confused. Fuel filters and oil filters and air cleaners etc. for un8ts like the GC Massey products are available in compatibles at Napa and O'Reillys etc.. When people are refering to parts outside of these maintenance items . . . I'm just wondering if there are alot of breakage type part replacement requirements or belts or ???? that are frequently needed specific from agco or a dealer ???? I'm just curious what kinds if "parts" budget I should start planning for other than extra blades for the mulcher deck . . Or a light bulb for a directional etc. ?

And do you have a web address where you were describing you get items from?

Thanks.

P.S. which model of Massey do you have besides the 1652 ?

The more you talk/type the more I want to stick with he GC1720...

 

[AxleHub]

The more you talk/type the more I want to stick with he GC1720...

12Bravo, Some may tjink I try to "convince" someone about the GC1700s. Quite honestly, I'm motivated for buyers to just be aware of some of the products . . Not to be swayed by bias of others or poor salesvpeople. Listen to many but judge for yourself.

I'LL give you a direct example why I'm abput study. True story. 2006 to 2014 I'm planming and studying about buying either BX or a Yanmar SC2400. But I wanted to check the market in early 2015 just to be sure of new entrants.. I was getting prices on BX from several local dealers and a couple more distamd yanmar dealets and Barlows (very impressed by them by-the-way).

BUT I also looked at Mahindra and Cabelas and Deere and a local dealer who has kubota at another city but has Massey locally. I stopped and talked to a sales person about Massey. He told me they had a 2013. gc1705 out on the lot. No brochure . . I went to look at it by myself . . Lifted engine hood and block was already rusty . Didn't seem like it was for me and salesman met me back inside and we talked about my interest in bx which they could not sell at that specific. Location. So I dropped the idea of Massey GC units.

So I'm still digging in new product reviews and reading tbn and several other locations. Bam . . I read in a 2013 review that massey gc1700s had front forward flow cooling (exactly like bx and yanmar sc2400 had).

So a product idea I had discarded . . Now becomes an interest to look at again and then becomes a dandy idea because the Massey Gc1700s have the advantages of kubota bx AND most of the yannar sc2400 (twin pumps , seat, diff lock etc).

So now I dig and dig about mmm decks and discover the mulcher deck . . And so it goes.

My point is . . I would never have bought a massey based on sales people . . . I would own a bx today and would like it and that would be it. Massey would be in the looked but didn't want with others bunch I'd looked at. . . . Yet my list of desires was most fulfilled by massey (I had the list for quite some time). Now add to this another local kubota dealer had a gc1700 unit but couldn't find much for answers or attachments either.


My effort is not to convince you of a brand . . but to encourage you to find what you want in a product . . AND THEN . . . find a dealer you can get that product from that you feel comfortable with in style and price.

 

[12Bravo]

Just got a quote from Barlow, I'm not seeing that "Special" price others say they have gotten. The quote was literally withing a dollar of my local dealer on the BX25D-1. So doesn't make much sense to use them.

One of my biggest issues right now with the GC1720, can't seem to find add-ons for it. Skid plate, grapples for the front end are the two main items. Other than that, I'm still looking closely at them, they seem to be a bit stronger than BX and the red will match my truck....haha

 

[12Bravo]

Da*n double post...lol