new Kioti CK4010H at the World Ag Expo

[dfkrug]

Just got back from the World Ag Expo in Tulare, CA. 75F and sunny, but
the usual horrible stench of cattle effluent.

Anyway, here is the new Kioti. As usual, no one was there who know the fun
technical details.

The brochure seems to indicate the engine is 39.6hp, gross, but has the
same engine as the CK3510H (3FTH4U) . Probably wrong.

Anyway, there seems to be nothing in common with the old CK30/35, from
the outside, anyway. The new KL4010 loader is specced at 1835# max at
full height, which is a fantastic improvement.

The fuel tank is in the back behind the seat, like the old CK20, which is a
bummer for mounting a backhoe. It sticks WAY out back.

Maybe someone will buy one of these and tell us what the service manual
says about the implement pump flow and pressure? As usual, you have got to
dig for this important spec.

 

[Sawworcs]

Nice looking little tractor with a 40hp! Did they have a price on it?
I don't see how the fuel tank is a problem.. Easy to fill without scratching the shiny hood.

 

[TJP89]

Nice looking little tractor with a 40hp! Did they have a price on it?
I don't see how the fuel tank is a problem.. Easy to fill without scratching the shiny hood.

Unless one has a backhoe or any 3Pt implements on back. No toolbox either.

 

[dfkrug]

Did they have a price on it?
I don't see how the fuel tank is a problem.. Easy to fill without scratching the
shiny hood.

The price was not on it, but there are TBN pricing reports for at least the CK3510.
My guess is you are looking at 20K-ish for an HST unit with FEL.

You can see the backhoe seat in the above photo. A rear fuel tank keeps you from
installing the hoe very close in to the rear of the tractor. The tank was relocated,
I assume, so they could add the Tier4 soot-cooker where the old tank was.

I don't know if I can believe the weight specs in the brochure.....these new CKs are
listed at 300# less than the CK30/35 that they replace. I DO like the smaller
footprint/weight vs. the larger DK40SE.

 

[dadster4]

The CK4010 is very similar to the CK3510 and the really new CK2510. The fuel tank is easy to fill, albeit a little awkward with 5 gal cans, standing on my boxblade or BH (the BH seat tilts forward for easy access to the fuel cap). My CK3510 puts out 11 gpm, I think 12 gpm on the CK4010 for implements. The CK10 series is not "a replacement" or "stripped down" version of the CK series, they are the new tier-4 models with their own set of various attributes and options. They do run a little lighter than the older models, but can carry the weight of heavier implements and loads, so total weight including all your options needs to be considered.

 

[dfkrug]

My CK3510 puts out 11 gpm, I think 12 gpm on the CK4010 for implements.
The CK10 series is not "a replacement" or "stripped down" version of the CK series...

According to Kioti reps this year and last year at the World Ag Expo, the CK2510H is the replacement
for the old CK20H, and the CK3510 replaces the CK35H. Very significant redesign, apparently, with
what may be lighter weight and lower hydraulic flow.

As usual, Kioti is shy about publishing their hyd flow and pressure #s....the brochure lists 11.7GPM
total flow, which includes both implement pump and PS pump. You have to get the service manual
for the implement pump spec.

Specs for the new FEL indicate that the implement pump pressure may be retained from the CK35
at 2560psi.

If the PS pump runs at least 3.5GPM, we are looking at somewhat lower for the implement pump, vs
the old CK's 8.3GPM.

 

[Z-Michigan]

In your photo it looks as if the 3pt hitch draft links are non-extendable, unlike what I had on a DK40SE and tons of competing tractors. Is that right - are they fixed with no extendable ends? Seems like a major drawback for tiny cost savings if so.

The fuel tank location is meh. I didn't like having it over the engine and potentially spilling fuel onto the engine, not to mention the awkwardness of reaching the filler with a full 5gal fuel can. This setup looks like it has its own awkwardness though. Makes me miss my Deere 5105 that had a rear tank with fillers on both sides, quite far out so you didn't have to reach over much. But still high in the air.

 

[Sawworcs]

I like the side by side HST pedals...I also was told the lift capacity is up to 1,800lbs.

 

[dfkrug]

In your photo it looks as if the 3pt hitch draft links are non-extendable, unlike what I had on a DK40SE and tons of competing tractors. Is that right - are they fixed with no extendable ends? Seems like a major drawback for tiny cost savings if so.

Yeah, kinda looks that way. The extendable arms are a big benefit, and my old CK has them. I wonder
what other cost-saving measures are incorporated.

Modernizing the old CKs to left-brake-pedal and no foot clutch a la DK-SE tractors is a plus, IMO.

 

[Amvcane]

I'm pretty sure the right 3pt draft link is adjustable. It's not like my CK35 with the hand crank, but like a turn buckle similar to the toplink. Its cad plated in the picture.
Also, Kioti is using the 1.8l engine block in all the CK10 series and turbocharged in the NX series right up to the 60. This excludes the CK2610 which has the 1.6l CK35 engine block.

 

[dfkrug]

I noticed another cost-saving measure.....no rubber pad on the diff-lock lever. Some
folks don't use it much, but I am digging out a mudslide now, and I use it a lot, as
my R4s load up and slip. That rubber pad on my lever helps to keep my muddy
shoes from slipping off it. Most of the time, anyway.

 

[dfkrug]

I noticed another cost-saving measure.....no rubber pad on the diff-lock lever. Some
folks don't use it much, but I am digging out a mudslide now, and I use it a lot, as
my R4s load up and slip. That rubber pad on my lever helps to keep my muddy
shoes from slipping off it. Most of the time, anyway.

The 4010 and 3510 are the same size and weight as the 2610, and 500# heavier
plus 6" longer than the 2510.

Since the 4010 and 3510 seem to have the same 1.8L engine, but different hp ratings,
there must be a difference in the FI pump, injectors, and/or electronic controls.

 

[Amvcane]

Now that you mention it, I don't have any rubber on my diff lock peddle on my CK. I wonder if the dealer forgot to install it, or it fell off.
You are correct, while at the dealer last week I noticed that there are many items that were value engineered out of the new CK10's. Some that I can recall are tilt steering wheel, the rubber mat on the operator station's floor, telescoping 3pt arms and all the nice tin work around the seat and levers. Starting to look like an LS. I'm sure they did this to make up for the extra cost of the new tier 4 engines.
It does come with 2 remotes ( a block, not stacked) and boy do I wish I had that new loader on my CK35.

 

[Big Barn]

Quote. "Just got back from the World Ag Expo in Tulare, CA. 75F and sunny, but
the usual horrible stench of cattle effluent."

I used to go regularly but haven't been in years. Never noticed stench back then, only remembered it rained pretty much every other year.

Terry

 

[VTland2clear]

Now that you mention it, I don't have any rubber on my diff lock peddle on my CK. I wonder if the dealer forgot to install it, or it fell off.
You are correct, while at the dealer last week I noticed that there are many items that were value engineered out of the new CK10's. Some that I can recall are tilt steering wheel, the rubber mat on the operator station's floor, telescoping 3pt arms and all the nice tin work around the seat and levers. Starting to look like an LS. I'm sure they did this to make up for the extra cost of the new tier 4 engines.
It does come with 2 remotes ( a block, not stacked) and boy do I wish I had that new loader on my CK35.

I love my new CK, but I am a little annoyed on the stuff that got omitted. But like you said, some things make up for it, like the 4010 loader. And although there are unknowns about these Tier 4 Final engines, they seem super clean and efficient. In hindsight I would have been happy with a used tractor, but the financing was much simpler in my case. 5 year warranty is nice too, and all the dealerships in my area have been very helpful. Rear remotes from the dealership were $350 for a full kit, and I had no problem installing them even being new to hydraulics. Even these trimmed-down CK's are still nicer than the fit and finish of the other brands in the price point, or at least that was my impression and reinforced on TBN.

I have no brand loyalty and didn't even know Kioti was a brand until last fall, but I think they are an up and coming company and will continue to gain market share. They are neat machines and I really like mine.

 

[dfkrug]

Quote. "Just got back from the World Ag Expo in Tulare, CA. 75F and sunny, but
the usual horrible stench of cattle effluent."

I used to go regularly but haven't been in years. Never noticed stench back then, only remembered it
rained pretty much every other year.

If it is a rainy cold day, then I would not go. It can be miserable. I wait until 10 days before the
show to decide if I am going, and, thanks to AirBnB, I got a good room at a very good price. Usually
I have to stay far from the show, but not this year.

The stench is mostly from huge cattle feed lots and the air-inversion they get in the winter. If
you are around cattle all day, you may not have a problem with it. Locally, they call it the
smell of money.

It is still a fantastic show. I made a deal to buy my first NEW tractors there 12 y ago.

 

[dfkrug]

It does come with 2 remotes ( a block, not stacked) ...

Aren't the AUX valves optional? I don't recall if the display tractor had them.

The display tractor DID have rubber floor mats, but the brochure shows plain steel. Optional?

 

[dadster4]

Aren't the AUX valves optional? I don't recall if the display tractor had them.

The display tractor DID have rubber floor mats, but the brochure shows plain steel. Optional?

The floor mat is optional on the CK3510, the remotes were on mine for the backhoe, don't know if they are standard equipment. Tilt wheel IS standard.

 

[k0ua]

The floor mat is optional on the CK3510, the remotes were on mine for the backhoe, don't know if they are standard equipment. Tilt wheel IS standard.

Are the telescoping draft links and telescoping stabilizers available as an option? And what about cruise control on the HST models?

 

[Amvcane]

Every CK3510 in my dealers yard had 2 remotes, I assumed they were standard. I guess he has experienced that everyone asks for them so he just installs them while building the tractor and then makes it a selling point. Thank you for the corrections.
I just looked at Kioti's website and they do show a optional telescoping lower link kit.