Solar power & Wind Power for residental use

[OldMcDonald]

Nuclear is not immune from subsidies. In this case the claim is that it is not a subsidy because the consumer pays, not the taxpayer - politicians' logic I suppose. The price agreed is more than twice the current wholesale price.

Q&A: Nuclear strike price - BBC News

 

[3930dave]

Nuclear is not immune from subsidies. In this case the claim is that it is not a subsidy because the consumer pays, not the taxpayer - politicians' logic I suppose. The price agreed is more than twice the current wholesale price.

Q&A: Nuclear strike price - BBC News

Politician and logic in the same sentence ? Careful, madness lurks there.....

Obviously, the world does not need a repeat of this, but these recent wildlife studies are noteworthy....

Humans Are More Toxic to Wildlife than Chernobyl | Motherboard

Rgds, D.

 

[buickanddeere]

It's the residue heavy metals and salt water products that give the real problem. Bacteria will look after the hydrocarbons given time.

Do recall the old refinery site in Calgary and ensuing cleanup?

Areas downwind of Fort Mac may also have heavy metal contamination rendering wildlife that eat the flora and fauna not fit for consumption.

The oil and everything else was already there and mother nature got along just fine. The tar sands was just one of many places around the world that compounds ranging from unpleasant to toxic naturally seep to the surface. In Pennsylvania it was normal to put a skimmer across the creek or stream. To divert the oil to one side and let the livestock drink from the other side.
What should we do? Put a catalytic converter on every methane seep and volcano ?
Lets just shut off all the oil and electrical production and lets see how healthy our population will be after one year.

 

[buickanddeere]

Nuclear is not immune from subsidies. In this case the claim is that it is not a subsidy because the consumer pays, not the taxpayer - politicians' logic I suppose. The price agreed is more than twice the current wholesale price.

Q&A: Nuclear strike price - BBC News

Some forward thinker have realized that wind, tidal, hydro electric and solar will not supply all the world's power. Thus they have promised nuclear enough income to stay in business, at a rate much lower paid to wind and solar. Nobody is going to invest in a project if the costs exceed the income.

Look at the US nuclear plants pushed out of business due to subsidized wind and solar reducing the grid wholesale , their income below break even.

 

[OldMcDonald]

B&D, No, they are offering nuclear more than twice as much as other sources, and not "at a rate much lower than wind and solar". You make things up to suit yourself. I have asked you several point blank questions about where you get your info. Where did you get the info for that statement.

They are also offering it to foreign governments - France being the major shareholder of the company involved and a third of the finance coming from China, and you call that forward thinking. You condemn similar subsidisation of other sources of power as being unfair and a cause of increased prices to the consumer. Are you happy to pay more than twice as much to have nuclear power instead of other sources? What happened to your ramming down our throats idea that power sources should be able to produce power without government handouts?

You will be pleased to hear that the current British Prime Minister is a great fan of nuclear and fracking, so he is making sure they get the go ahead. Of course nobody will invest in something they know is going to lose money. Did anybody on here ever suggest they should?

 

[buickanddeere]

Tell us the price of the unreliable wind and solar power.
Is nuclear "low carbon" ?

 

[OldMcDonald]

NO. You made the statement about prices, and I asked you where you obtained your info. As usual, you refuse to answer because you do not have the info. It was something you made up. I know you will not like those tremarks, but throughout this thread you have made statement after statement that you simply cannot verify. You are intelligent, there is no doubt about that, but you are so bigotted you refuse to engage in reasonable debate or dialogue, and try to bully your way through it all. As they say - put up or shut up.

When you give me the source of your info that the rate offered for the proposed nuclear plant is "much lower than wind and solar", then I will give you the source of my info.

 

[buickanddeere]

NO. You made the statement about prices, and I asked you where you obtained your info. As usual, you refuse to answer because you do not have the info. It was something you made up. I know you will not like those tremarks, but throughout this thread you have made statement after statement that you simply cannot verify. You are intelligent, there is no doubt about that, but you are so bigotted you refuse to engage in reasonable debate or dialogue, and try to bully your way through it all. As they say - put up or shut up.

When you give me the source of your info that the rate offered for the proposed nuclear plant is "much lower than wind and solar", then I will give you the source of my info.

Lets see your rate chart

 

[KennyG]

The UK "strike price" concept is interesting and I won't get into the politics behind it here, but the part that's missed in the discussion is that the guaranteed price is for electricity in the future 10 years from now and operating for a nominal 60 years. UK is looking at the long term and, given that the coal alternative has been rejected, no other source than nuclear is willing to guarantee unsubsidized rates of less than the strike price at that time. The real, unsubsidized, price of renewables in UK today is near the strike price without the reliability of nuclear.

 

[dragoneggs]

Well Terry (OP)... did you get what you bargained for with respect to 430 posts, when you started this thread on Christmas Day?