Buying Advice HST or Gears?

[TripleR]

But isn't it mechanically adjustable?

There is a thread on here somewhere on adjusting it to suit your needs, I don't use mine, so I've not done it though.

 

[4570Man]

But isn't it mechanically adjustable?

I haven't ever looked at it. It probably is, but I think it would be above the average persons head. The HST pedal on my L Grand is completely electronic. The throttle bar works good enough for me. I don't like the auto throttle anyway.

 

[GManBart]

Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning???

Your comparisons of your two 40 something hp tractors supports what I said.

Your reference to the nicer HSTs linking the HST pedal and throttle also confirms what I stated. If factory set they'll have the engine at PTO rpm or above by the time the HST is at half speed. Talk about a waste of fuel.

In your own comparison above you stated your gear tractor never goes over 2000 rpms unless it's on the road. I think you copied that out of my post???

So we both are suffering from "Gross Generalizations" and "Shocking Conclusions".

Not even close.

The point was that two machines with similar size engines were run in about the same RPM range, and the HST machine didn't have to be run at 2000 RPM+ to work properly. The contradicts your comment that HST machines need to run at 2000+ regularly.

Small HST tractors with HST might have to be run at high RPM to do much work, but small non-HST tractors are also going to have to run at high RPM to get much done.

You compared large and very large non-HST machines to a very small HST machine....completely different animals, making for a poor comparison that means almost nothing.

You also misread what I wrote about the linked pedal machines. HST linked machines SAVE fuel, not waste it. Why? Because people with non-linked pedals set the RPM, often higher than necessary, and leave it there constantly. Linked HST systems match the throttle to the load so when you're going 2mph it's not running 2000rpm+ because it doesn't need to.

HST tractors work just fine at engine speeds lower than 2000rpm, regardless of whether people use them that way or not.

I copied nothing from your post. My Massey rarely goes over 2000rpm....usually only if I'm on the road, or for a few seconds here and there if I'm pulling something heavy in a low gear. MY LS also rarely went over 2000rpm...usually only if I went on the road or I was trying to max out the loader with something really heavy. Sure, there were times when I had 50T of gravel to spread and I wanted to get done quicker, so I set the RPM near PTO speed and got faster cycle times, and faster ground speed, but that was a choice, not a necessity.

 

[ovrszd]

But isn't it mechanically adjustable?

My Brothers L3240 was mechanical. Had a small lever on dash that engaged/disengaged.

 

[DK35vince]

I've never ran shuttle shift I can't say anything bad they seem to have there place l like the the idea of being able to throttle up well running in a gear or when needed.

A shuttle shift or hydraulic shuttle is a HUGE difference in ease of use compared to a 8N.
Many more gears to chose from forward and reverse, flip a shuttle lever and your going the other way in the same gear. Foot throttle for precision work, loader work, Etc.

 

[dieselcrawler]

Greg, being the handyman you are I know you could figure it out. Might work better using a linkage setup rather than a cable setup. But I'm sure you could do it.

I know you'll get right on it since you don't have any other projects going on.......

Lol... I'll get right on that, Richard, just for you! *grin*

 

[k0ua]

My Brothers L3240 was mechanical. Had a small lever on dash that engaged/disengaged.

That is what I thought.

 

[ovrszd]

Not even close.

The point was that two machines with similar size engines were run in about the same RPM range, and the HST machine didn't have to be run at 2000 RPM+ to work properly. The contradicts your comment that HST machines need to run at 2000+ regularly.

Small HST tractors with HST might have to be run at high RPM to do much work, but small non-HST tractors are also going to have to run at high RPM to get much done.

You compared large and very large non-HST machines to a very small HST machine....completely different animals, making for a poor comparison that means almost nothing.

You also misread what I wrote about the linked pedal machines. HST linked machines SAVE fuel, not waste it. Why? Because people with non-linked pedals set the RPM, often higher than necessary, and leave it there constantly. Linked HST systems match the throttle to the load so when you're going 2mph it's not running 2000rpm+ because it doesn't need to.

HST tractors work just fine at engine speeds lower than 2000rpm, regardless of whether people use them that way or not.

I copied nothing from your post. My Massey rarely goes over 2000rpm....usually only if I'm on the road, or for a few seconds here and there if I'm pulling something heavy in a low gear. MY LS also rarely went over 2000rpm...usually only if I went on the road or I was trying to max out the loader with something really heavy. Sure, there were times when I had 50T of gravel to spread and I wanted to get done quicker, so I set the RPM near PTO speed and got faster cycle times, and faster ground speed, but that was a choice, not a necessity.

This is a great topic. It clarifies different operators different preferences. I value your opinion and accept it as a difference. I do that with no malice or degrading comments. It seems that's not within your capability. That's fine and I accept that about you. But that doesn't mean it's okay to call my comments Gross or shocking. They are simply my opinion. Just as your comments are simply your opinion.

 

[Oldpath05]

According to my dash board, tractor is idling 8-900, going from point A too point B, 12-1500, my average work is 15-1800, for listening to the joyful sound of my diesel engine, I touch the fuel petal to get 2000, if I'm hooked on to China, 2500 RPMs.

 

[Sprinklerman]

My backhoe , a Deere 301 B is shuttle shift , my NH 1925 is HST , I like them both , they are both easy to work . BUT my movements are less on the HST new holland .Its just my right foot and the wheel , plus the loader . Doing landscaping , plowing and residentila work , the hst is the easiest . Power loss ? I cant compare , each machine is itself , I run them to what they can do . Now a straight gear shift , clutch each change of dirrection , no way , I am moving back and forth every 2 to 10 minutes sometimes .