Where does it stop?

[Jim Timber]

Pulling above center of the rear axle is a good way to flip your tractor. I had originally posed the question of using a backhoe to skid logs with and soon discovered it was a horrible idea. Bad for the pins and sockets, bad for the subframe and possibly bellhousing (think of where that stress goes when you're not on the stabs), and most of all potentially really bad for the operator if you get hooked on something under way.

 

[motownbrowne]

Pulling above center of the rear axle is a good way to flip your tractor. I had originally posed the question of using a backhoe to skid logs with and soon discovered it was a horrible idea. Bad for the pins and sockets, bad for the subframe and possibly bellhousing (think of where that stress goes when you're not on the stabs), and most of all potentially really bad for the operator if you get hooked on something under way.

I thought that you just challenged people to pop wheelies with their tractors. Now you're telling them that pulling from the backhoe is a bad idea? Uhhhh...

 

[Jim Timber]

I didn't challenge anyone - I said you can't do it and gave reason as to why not.

I've used my instant clutch power to pop frozen logs loose.

 

[motownbrowne]

I'll eat my shoe if you can get the front end to lift on your HST (without using the loader or hooking to a stump).

I didn't challenge anyone - I said you can't do it and gave reason as to why not.

Well if you don't call that a challenge, that's fine, but I read it as one.

 

[Oldpath05]

I can pop wheelies in reverse going down hill in a snow storm with my tractor.

 

[DaveNJ]

I can pop wheelies in reverse going down hill in a snow storm with my tractor.

Did that once in a fuel oil delivery truck backing down a steep snow covered driveway. It was a life-changing experience.

 

[paulfun9]

Ignorance is the leading reason why someone would choose gears over a hydro for steep hills. There are people out there that feel they are masters of a clutch and gear transmission there for they don't need a silly hydro transmission.

People that have used both hydro and gear know that a hydro is safer on hills because the transmission allows you to feather the movement without fear of free wheeling or moving abruptly and causing a roll over. I don't usually like to argue with "gearheads" as to which transmission is better but I would hate to read about some ones death.

Gear tractors are great for farm land because they are more efficient to operate. Most people with small acreages that use their tractors for a variety of tasks are better served with a hydro tractor. I am old enough to remember when automatic transmissions in vehicles were problematic but these hydro transmissions are completely different designs. Some people have a hard time getting past it.

In all my years I have not had one gear transmission get stuck between ranges, pop out of the gear I was in or free wheel down a hill. I did however have HSt get stuck between ranges and was not able to get it into gear again till the bottom of the hill. Now I know that in most cases I would choose the gear and range before getting onto the hill but understand not all hills are the same and much of my property does not require shifting to lower ranges until your near the top.

So go ahead and fool yourself into thinking that one is safer than the other as they are both just as dangerous!

Just wanted to add that with a few of the recent tractors I test drove the HST was much more likely to cause jerky movements than I would ever experience with a gear drive. Even my wife who prefers the HST was very unhappy with the electronic control that many are implementing.

 

[paulfun9]

High range is for road travel only. Try putting the gear in the highest gear and try again. My HST will go over any hill the same model gear will. It's operator error such as this that gives a HST a bad name.

Then why when hauling a similar load does my Gear International go faster up the hill than its brother which is the same frame and designation with the only difference being one is HST and the other a power reverse. Let me see if I can remember the HST is rated to have a max speed that is higher than the power shuttle but to this day since new it could not keep up with the gear doing anything unless it was flat ground with no load at all. I guess after 36 years of ownership I still don't have a clue how to operate the HST ?

 

[KiwiBro]

I blame Deezl Smoke

 

[Deezl Smoke]

I blame Deezl Smoke

I cant argue with that. He's to blame for a lot of things.