OldMcDonald
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Why has this thread been closed?
Solar & Wind Power
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buckeyefarmer
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Probably because some can't play in the sandbox very well with others.
buickanddeere
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The pro wind and solar tend to be idealistic rather than realistic. If presented with facts they tend to become upset.
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Guess it was becoming dominated by a few individuals who were opposed to any type of alternative energy being used or promoted. Just my observation....
buickanddeere
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The idealists did not want to hear that solar and wind are more expensive due to the subsidies to keep green in business. Nor did they like hearing that fossil power has to be kept on spinning reserve to backup wind and solar when they fail.
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Egon
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[video]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Peiser[/video]
Tilting at windmills!
Tilting at windmills!
westcliffe01
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More expensive than what ? That is the question. If you buy land with no utilities it could cost $250k or more to run power to it. Or you could take the same amount of money and see how long you could run a high efficiency generator. If you actually do the math on running even a tiny diesel genset, it can easily run $900/month (assuming you run it for part of the night so you can have lights and charge batteries).
The bottom line is: as soon as you live in a low population density location, solar is by far the cheapest way to get your power. Nothing else is even remotely close. It is only city people and people living in places with good grid infrastructure who think that mainstream electricity is cheap. The other 90% of the world lives with other realities.
This situation should not be politicised. Doing that (taking from Sam and John to give to Paul) is going to be filled with corruption and inflationary factors (the prices charged by the "approved" installers) and it will never get us anywhere.
The bottom line is: as soon as you live in a low population density location, solar is by far the cheapest way to get your power. Nothing else is even remotely close. It is only city people and people living in places with good grid infrastructure who think that mainstream electricity is cheap. The other 90% of the world lives with other realities.
This situation should not be politicised. Doing that (taking from Sam and John to give to Paul) is going to be filled with corruption and inflationary factors (the prices charged by the "approved" installers) and it will never get us anywhere.
Larry Caldwell
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My experience is that when the power goes out I normally run the generator no more than 3 hours a day, and probably average about 2 hours. You don't need electricity during the day, or for lights at night. Primarily the generator is used to heat a tank of water and take showers. While it's doing that, it can charge batteries and run the freezer. A small inverter will run all the LED lights in the world and keep the computer online. The days of 500 watt power supplies and CRT monitors are long gone. The typical laptop pulls a max of 65 watts. A large screen LED TV uses even less. An energy star refrigerator uses about 600 watts.
People who are retrofitting houses with generators are retrofitting antique, inefficient homes. Modern technology uses much less electricity, which is one of the reasons we don't need as much generating capacity as we used to.
Citydude
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Umm, typical in your household, not so typical in the average home in America. There are many areas in our country that do not have the income to "convert" to energy efficient homes.
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