Off Road Diesel

[npalen]

I pull my little Kubota up to the off-road diesel pump at the local quick shop and tell them I would like to buy about three gallons of off-road. The clerk says they are allowed to sell it only to "farmers". I know that isn't right so I tell her I am a farmer. (Well I am an "old farm boy") Anyways, she makes a phone call (in some language other than english, and puts me on the line with the owner. They reluctantly agreed to sell me the three gallons after I told them that I had filled out and signed the form a while back, which I did.
How to deal with these people?

 

[mkr7734]

I pull my little Kubota up to the off-road diesel pump at the local quick shop and tell them I would like to buy about three gallons of off-road. The clerk says they are allowed to sell it only to "farmers". I know that isn't right so I tell her I am a farmer. (Well I am an "old farm boy") Anyways, she makes a phone call (in some language other than english, and puts me on the line with the owner. They reluctantly agreed to sell me the three gallons after I told them that I had filled out and signed the form a while back, which I did.
How to deal with these people?

Guess the problem there is you drove your little Kubota up to the off-road diesel pump at the local quick shop and asked for "Off" Road diesel. By driving it up you were "on" the road, not off-road. Just a thought, why I have a transfer tank for my tractor. I don't know of any stations in IL. where you can drive up and get off road, not to say there are not any, I have just never seen any. Here you have to have a bulk fuel supplier deliver it to you.

 

[4570Man]

There is a place you can drive up to here. I haul a 55 gallon barrel in the truck and fill it up, then unload it with the tractor.

 

[Oldpath05]

"How to deal with these people?"

Does it ever make you want to go terminator on them.............Terminator - I'll be back 18p (HD) - YouTube

Since when is putting off road fuel in a tractor illegal, never heard such a thing, good grief Charlie Brown, maybe there breaking the law. I can get ORF in can, jug, barrel or tractor anytime I want.

 

[mkr7734]

Anyways, she makes a phone call (in some language other than English, and puts me on the line with the owner. They reluctantly agreed to sell me the three gallons after I told them that I had filled out and signed the form a while back, which I did.

I think the key here is this,,,,,,,,,,,,, (in some language other than English, :duh:

 

[stuckmotor]

How to deal with them: Try buying the diesel in a 5 gallon container.
At one place in town I have to sign a paper saying the diesel is for off road use. At another, I just swipe my credit card at the pump and fill up never having to go in unless the reciept printer isn't working. Come to think of it, when I drove the tractor from my house in town the 12 miles to the farm, I did stop by the station and fill up. If the transportation policeman had been driving by, he might have had something to say. My guess is that the store owner suspected you were an under cover agent trying to catch him on a technicality.

 

[DT86]

I'd deal with someone else next time instead of those commies.

 

[MHarryE]

Did you really need to ask permission? If I happen to be in town, which is rarely, I can swipe my credit card, fill up and go. Same thing if I fill my odd road tank with fuel and it is less than the credit card limit (always use the card to get 4 cents off per dollar charged). One of the 2 stations in town did require me to sign a statement that I am a farmer, not to be able to pump the off highway but to avoid the sales tax they must charge non-farmers in MN who use off highway fuel. Same thing with all the Ag stores in the state - I have to fill out their form once and after that no more sales tax on farm supplies.

 

[npalen]

Did you really need to ask permission?

They won't turn the pump on until permission is given. It's no big deal, paying the road tax on what little fuel my B9200 burns, just kind of irritating. Next time I'll just buy the road diesel and eliminate the drama.

 

[sea2summit]

There is a place you can drive up to here. I haul a 55 gallon barrel in the truck and fill it up, then unload it with the tractor.

Same here, never heard of having to sign a form though...hope I'm not missing something.

 

[stuckmotor]

After reading about the farm sales tax exemtion, it sounds like your store owner was letting you slide on two kinds of payment. I don't think I get a sales tax exemption on diesel, but I might. Like you say, the road tax and sales tax on what you'll run trough a B9200 isn't worth much drama.

 

[Jim Timber]

If you're driving your tractor as a mode of transportation, then you'd need to pay for on-road fuel. If you're driving it as a means of getting the fuel to the tractor, then it's off-road equipment and exempt from the road tax; at least that's how it is here in MN. Same thing with towed equipment - if you can hook it to the truck to pull it (like a wood chipper), then it's not a trailer and not taxable. If you put it on a trailer and pull the trailer to move it, then the trailer needs to pay tax (tabs).

I can think of much better uses for my time than driving at 19mph 8 miles to the closest gas station on my tractor.

 

[square1]

There's two levels of tax exempt here. Road tax exempt (but you pay sales tax), i/e Off Road fuel, and sales tax exempt, i.e Farm Use fuel (which is also road tax exempt). You have to sign a form for the 2nd one.

 

[varmint]

A possible third solution is to do what I have done... when we get heating oil delivered, I put out a couple of 5 gallon jugs, and the driver fills them for me. The price is usually the same, or less, than the ORF- it was $1.74 last week. Make sure that your heating oil is the same as off road diesel, of course, which it is from this guy. Easier than hauling cans to the gas station.

 

[jenkinsph]

I don't bother with tax exempt issues and buy highway diesel for my tractors. I do write off all fuel purchases against the business and that is close enough for me. The fuel is always fresh and filters last a long time.

If I were running high hp machines that might need revisiting.

 

[rd_macgregor]

Several gas stations here have installed heating oil pumps. Yesterday I filled two 20-liter fuel cans with heating oil. Road diesel is about $1.03/l whereas the heating fuel was about $0.65/l, so I saved $15 (CD$). After several years of using heating fuel, so far I haven't noticed any difference in the way my tractor performs.

 

[Gary Fowler]

I guess I have been lucky to escape any drama. I get bulk red diesel delivered at no charge as long as I get 150 gallons at a time. NO TAXES and no hassle. I have never been asked to sign any papers regarding farm use either.

 

[JRobyn]

In TN, fuel dealers (and Tractor Supply) ask for your "tax number" (Certificate of Exemption From Sales And Use Tax For Tennessee Agricultural Exemptions). I assume this is because the state requires them to record it for off-road fuel sales. Seems reasonable to me.

Our local off-road dealers ask for it one time and record name and number in a little log book. TSC keeps it in their computer with your phone number.

 

[RPW]

Texas you need to full out a form and submit it to the state. They issue you a number. Unfortunately they quite allowing individual Service stations from selling ORD and you have to go to the distribution point to get it or have it delivered. At some point I'll get it delivered but for now I just take my 55 gallon drum and get it filled.

 

[Howling]

A possible third solution is to do what I have done... when we get heating oil delivered, I put out a couple of 5 gallon jugs, and the driver fills them for me. The price is usually the same, or less, than the ORF- it was $1.74 last week. Make sure that your heating oil is the same as off road diesel, of course, which it is from this guy. Easier than hauling cans to the gas station.

My heating oil supplier won't fill 5 gallon cans. Said pump speed is too fast. Have overflowed cans and made a mess when they tried it.