No more V8 in F150?

[wawajake]

Sorry, guesses youes buys what's youes can affurd. HS

Wow even when asked gently to stay on topic you find a new arrogant way to continue your ridiculousness

 

[houstonscott]

Wow even when asked gently to stay on topic you find a new arrogant way to continue your ridiculousness

This is the future of pickups in the USA, smaller, much smaller, smaller diesels, well, under current EPA rules. Get use to it, the government is weaning you off your F150. All the changes are driven by government regulation, governments unfounded quest to reduce CO2, based in the hoax of man caused global warming. What a load of sh#t. Oh, by the way check your facts, I didn't start the Subaru crap, someone else strayed from topic, but you'll conveniently miss that fact... HS

 

[orezok]

Meh...

 

[Copperhead]

4.3 tonnes. Metric. Not avourdepous.
The Touareg has air bag suspension and was stock. The tires were over inflated and the test was reportedly done at 5mph. It's a pretty awesome feat.

Even 4.3 metric tonnes is 9479 lb. Not the 15K+ you mentioned.

 

[Copperhead]

4.3 tonnes. Metric. Not avourdepous.
The Touareg has air bag suspension and was stock. The tires were over inflated and the test was reportedly done at 5mph. It's a pretty awesome feat.

Even 4.3 metric tonnes is 9479 lb. Not the 15K+ you mentioned. Yes it is a interesting deal. One does have to wonder if we were fed all the information that went on in accomplishing this, or if there wasn't some slight to hand things going on. But wait, it was on the internet so it must have been scientifically confirmed.

 

[Renze]

Usually coming from the yaris drivers...

hahahaaaa do they even sell those over there ???

 

[Renze]

New VW Amarok is getting the 3.0 V6. Maybe it will be introduced in the US too ?

 

[Sysop]

At the end of the day when you make the same HP out of a smaller engine you are putting more stress on numerous parts in the engine. Sure they can handle it but the V8 can easily handle having mods done to it to increase it's HP while the ecoboost engines are pretty much topped out unless you are willing to reduce engine life. A modern engine should make 200k miles without needing any serious work. A 5.0 V8 should be able to be boosted to 500hp and still make that. I'm not so sure you could get 500hp out of a 3.5 V6 and expect it to make 200k doing everything a truck may do, like towing. Just my opinion. Of course I'm not sure if where engines are now is really needed.

Back when the first 3.5 ecoboost was being released, I remember reading that Ford had actually taken the Duratec lower end and redesigned the engine with more bearing surface area than the V8 engines, providing more support and longevity to the crank and cams. Towing was their goal for the engine, as was replacing the 6.3L V8. Towing needs lots of bearing surface and support on the crankshaft for longevity. Shorter shafts that were designed for the boosted stresses, in addition to more supporting surface area, the EB was designed to last as long as any other stock engine in their stables... Increasing the stock output of any engine will reduce it's lifespan. Boosting a 5L will have the same effect on lifespan...

Folk into heavily modifying vehicles have found with the latest generation of F150s that the main limiting factor for performance on the 5L or Eco is the stock fuel system. The 5L has plenty of existing modifications to get extra fuel into the engine, the Ecoboost does not. That alone is why the Ecoboost is, as you said, "pretty much topped out". It has nothing at all to do with the "stress on the numerous parts" because the parts are overbuilt to handle the power without being stressed.

This is also why a 5L with nothing but a tune doesn't yield as much of an increase as a tune on a fully stock 3.5EB (and percentage-wise, you can coax even better improvements out of the new 2.7EB with just a tune versus the 3.5EB). The stock 5L is already sucking down nearly all the fuel ya can get to the engine, and without more fuel ya can't make more power. With the EB, there is still a little overhead left in the fuel system. More so in the smaller EB.

Note that version two of the 3.5L Ecoboost is adding a second direct injection per cylinder as well as port injection to keep the valves clean. They're not increasing the horsepower, it will remain at 365HP, but torque is increasing from 420 to 450. There will likely be MUCH more overhead in the v2 3.5EB with the additional fueling potentials.

 

[houstonscott]

There is no substitute for more displacement or increasing the number of cylinders. HS

 

[Diamondpilot]

There is no substitute for more displacement or increasing the number of cylinders. HS

It's not 1970. I have owned 6 turbo vehicles since 1999 and all outperformed the bigger displacement options and gave excellent service.

Chris