250' water line: got some questions

[stuckmotor]

I can picture myself trying to get a refund on some of that 50 year warranted pipe 49 years from now. I'll be 114 years old.

 

[SPYDERLK]

In terms of 50yrs pressure, water, and ground burial, what is the alternative? ... Stainless Steel?

 

[newbury]

I can picture myself trying to get a refund on some of that 50 year warranted pipe 49 years from now. I'll be 114 years old.

And the way medical advances are going you'll probably be a cranky old dude banging on the counter!

 

[Egon]

I always put the belled end on the outside of the non-belled end of the next section. Never failed yet.



Bruce

What's wrong with Bell to Bell??

 

[brown40]

Interesting to hear how folks do it in different areas of the country. Most everyone in Maine uses the black PE pipe coils--when shopping it sometimes helps to tell associates you're looking for "well pipe", then they take you to the black stuff. PE, HDPE, LDPE--the names give a glimpse at how adaptable the polyethylene monomer is for chemists to work with and tailor the polymerization and formula to resist whatever it is they are looking for it to do. The PEX is a different cross-linking arrangement of the same monomer that gave it some great strength and stretch qualities--I don't know what it did for abrasion resistance.
I wonder if fail rates have to do with old formulas, overexposure to UV or heat, poor handling and installation, or just a bad batch or formula that didn't quite do what was planned? I know the coils can be challenging to handle, but I'd prefer a straight shot without joints, FWIW.

 

[LD1]

Pay attention to the sdr number on the black pipe. Typically coorsponds directly to the pressure rating.

Sdr stands for standard diameter ratio. It's the ratio of wall thickness to diameter. Lower the sdr, thicker walled the pipe.

IE: for a 1" pipe, sdr 11 will have a wall thickness of 1/11". Sdr 7 will have a wall thickness of 1/7"..... thicker, stronger, and higher psi rating

 

[stuckmotor]

And the way medical advances are going you'll probably be a cranky old dude banging on the counter!

I wonder if I'll have to dig up the pipe and take it back to the store to get my refund and will they refund all of my money or just enough to cover the section with the hole in it.

 

[GLyford]

Around here everyone uses the poly, but we are on sand, on top of granite bedrock. Even with frost heaves, bedrock doesn't move much. Mine has lasted for 30 years (knock on wood).

A bunch of the TX guys are on expansive clays where the soil movement is much more severe...and they have problems with poly.

Not everyone's soil acts the same, so not every solution will work the same for everyone.

 

[Gary Fowler]

I would never use black poly pipe around my place. The soil if full of rocks and I would have to import tons of sand to backfill with. I can use schedule 80 PVC without fear of a rock puncturing it. All my water lines are run with PVC, some with a coupling and some with bell end. I don't remember which way I put it (likely bell end down stream since I would be starting from a valve end) but I don't think it makes any difference for the low foot per second flow rate of water lines.

The old pipefitter word of mouth would be to put bell end upstream for high flow piping. This was to prevent erosion of the inserted pipe when the fluid comes out of the bell end and hits the end of the inserted pipe. Putting it bell end upstream means that fluid would come out of the inserted pipe and then gently transition into the bell end. As I said, I don't think it makes any difference in home water lines.

 

[bcp]

What's wrong with Bell to Bell??

Lap joints leak less than butt joints.



Bruce