Buying my 1st tractor this weekend and need advise BIG TIME - quotes included

[bevis28]

When I compared them on-line the B2601 had adjustable stabilizer bars, but not links, may be an error on the website. As mentioned, both are good, I just prefer the B2650 for tractor work.

I have nothing against smaller lighter tractors, we have 3 SCUTs, and use the heck out of them, but have larger tractors when needed.

YUP you are correct about the links. My mistake. Still learning. Im trying to find a picture or video online with the 2601 and the 2650 side by side to see the physical size difference.
I have a dealer close with a 2601 but not a 2650 and a dealer 45 mins with a 2650 and not a 2601.

 

[Turbys_1700]

I've never driven a newer hydrostat tractor but I would think that both types of pedals require the operator to just get used to them. I would think that the engineers at both Deere and Kubota have the ergonomics down pretty well for average size folks. I run a shuttle shift tractor and my left leg can get tired if using the clutch a lot when doing loader work. Drive the Kubota and go with your gut. Tradeoffs are always part of the equation. Just pick the tractor with the fewest.

 

[Gary Fowler]

The only problem with HST pedals whether one or two is the location. Hardly no way to use the brakes and the HST pedals at the same time (legs crossed over one another-one to work the brake and one on the HST pedal is a PIA). I do like the treadle pedal on my B26 much better than the 2 pedal system on my BIL's New Holland which creeps a bit when you let off the go pedal so it confuses me as to which pedal I am pressing. I almost ran it into a pond once when it keep going forward and I stomped on the other pedal which really made it go forward. I guess I could do better if I drove it for a length of time, but I much prefer my treadle pedal and if it was on the left side it would be perfect. I do seem to recall some post here that said some models of tractors now put the brakes on the left or was it pedals on the left. Either of which would work after some getting used to the location just as long as the steering brakes and HST pedals aren't on the same side. Also something to check out, I wouldn't buy a tractor that didn't have steering brakes (dual brakes left and right side) even though lots of folks never use them, I find them necessary on a tractor especially in the mud. Steering brakes also when used diligently allow for shorter turning without having the front wheels tearing up the grass or digging a trench in soft soil.

As for hard to push on the rear treadle pedal, it shouldn't be much different forward or reverse. Have the dealer check out why it is so hard to push for backward movement. Might just need a bit of grease on the pedal mount. Check out any other model to see if they all seem harder to you.

 

[TripleR]

I'm pretty sure both models have HST on the right and brakes on the left.

 

[bevis28]

I've never driven a newer hydrostat tractor but I would think that both types of pedals require the operator to just get used to them. I would think that the engineers at both Deere and Kubota have the ergonomics down pretty well for average size folks. I run a shuttle shift tractor and my left leg can get tired if using the clutch a lot when doing loader work. Drive the Kubota and go with your gut. Tradeoffs are always part of the equation. Just pick the tractor with the fewest.

Just got back from driving the 2601 at the KUB dealer. The ergos on the KUB are awful unless you have a size 12 or 13 shoe. Im not sure why KUB insists on carrying on with this design.
For me and my injuries, that sealed the deal for the JD 2025R. It makes you use the muscles in the back of your leg and calf to engage reverse no matter the rpm you are at. I still say the KUB is most
likely a stouter / slightly a better made tractor but its not going to work for me.

 

[bevis28]

The only problem with HST pedals whether one or two is the location. Hardly no way to use the brakes and the HST pedals at the same time (legs crossed over one another-one to work the brake and one on the HST pedal is a PIA). I do like the treadle pedal on my B26 much better than the 2 pedal system on my BIL's New Holland which creeps a bit when you let off the go pedal so it confuses me as to which pedal I am pressing. I almost ran it into a pond once when it keep going forward and I stomped on the other pedal which really made it go forward. I guess I could do better if I drove it for a length of time, but I much prefer my treadle pedal and if it was on the left side it would be perfect. I do seem to recall some post here that said some models of tractors now put the brakes on the left or was it pedals on the left. Either of which would work after some getting used to the location just as long as the steering brakes and HST pedals aren't on the same side. Also something to check out, I wouldn't buy a tractor that didn't have steering brakes (dual brakes left and right side) even though lots of folks never use them, I find them necessary on a tractor especially in the mud. Steering brakes also when used diligently allow for shorter turning without having the front wheels tearing up the grass or digging a trench in soft soil.

As for hard to push on the rear treadle pedal, it shouldn't be much different forward or reverse. Have the dealer check out why it is so hard to push for backward movement. Might just need a bit of grease on the pedal mount. Check out any other model to see if they all seem harder to you.

As for the hard push, thats just the way it is. the pedal is pushing rods fore and aft that are turning that movement into
rotational movement into the hydro. there is no adjustment and would only get looser after MANY hours of use and break in.
So JD it is for me.
Also the brake pedals on the 2601/2650 are on the left and can be locked together or split for turning with brake.
The general operation seem to be smoother and slicker on the JD

 

[Eric102]

When shopping for my first tractor the ergonomics of the JD tractors is what sold me on them, mainly the hydro and brake pedal locations in relation to the seat. The Kubotas and Masseys I tried were awful in comparison requiring some contortions my large, older, non-flexible body didn't like.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

And that's why test driving these things is so important. What one guy likes another guy will hate. And vice versa.

Have you looked at any other brands, or are you stuck on Kubota and Deere as the only choices?

 

[check]

"Also the JD dealer told me i need to google KUB HST problems and how they are built. Thats the first time i have heard anyone say anything negative about KUB or JD trans." Do not buy from anyone who feels they need to knock their competition to get a sale. Bad Juju. Find another dealer if you like that brand.

I have to disagree. Who else would know what the faults are, if not the competition? It is part of the meaning of the word "competition". Whenever I buy something, I always make it a point to ask the dealer "Why should I buy your brand instead of X brand?" When you ask that question, the sales person is much less squeamish about telling you what he or she feels is better about their product. And of course, you want to immediately go on the Internet or look to other sources to verify what you have been told. Works great for me!

 

[check]

Like was already mentioned, I prefer the treadle over the two pedal set up but it's what I'm used to. For a log splitter I would suggest getting a pto pump as opposed to using the tractor hydraulics since it will operate much faster. If you really want to use the tractor hydraulics have them install the power beyond (or whatever they call it) that is used for the backhoe as it is meant for constant flow. Two rear remotes in addition would also be a good idea in case you get top and tilt or any other rear hydraulic attachments. Good luck.

I agree. For not too much more than 1000 bucks you can get a nice 20 ton gas log splitter that will be independent of your tractor.