You know your neighbor's visitors are from the city when...

[dieselcrawler]

Yeah...but tough on the dog since I expect a good percentage wouldn't pay to get the pup back...so the dog pays the (perhaps ultimate) penalty for the owner's neglect/stupidity.

If the dog gets euthanized with a .7mm needle, or a 7mm chunk of lead moving at 3000' fps, the net result is the same.

I admire Larry's thoughtfulness, and willingness to give the dog a chance at new life in a better home, should it get adopted... it's a little more humane than my methods. But I'm with Mark, three S system is quicker and cheaper. I'm on a tight budget. I may not be the most politically correct, but around here, it's what works.

 

[Gary Fowler]

I also had a heifer who apparently could smell when the wire was hot. She was one fence crawling cow, I watcher her testing the wire with her nose almost touching it and doing it repeatedly down the fence. Charger shut off, she'd be out instantly.

We had a bull that would break a fence anytime he wanted to go into a different pasture, he would just bulldoze thru it. Dad put up an electric fence to keep him in and he would test it the same way by sniffing it. I set by the charger one day, plug in hand and watched him testing the fence. I would turn off the charger and watch him sniff test it then push up against it and then turn it back on. I took several charges to make him back off and not try to break it again. It sure was fun and a kid then to watch that bull jump.

 

[KWRB]

If the dog gets euthanized with a .7mm needle, or a 7mm chunk of lead moving at 3000' fps, the net result is the same.

I admire Larry's thoughtfulness, and willingness to give the dog a chance at new life in a better home, should it get adopted... it's a little more humane than my methods. But I'm with Mark, three S system is quicker and cheaper. I'm on a tight budget. I may not be the most politically correct, but around here, it's what works.

Do you not have a dogcatcher? Where I live, our taxes account for a part time salary for a town dogcatcher, specifically so a dog (which only knows as well as it's taught) doesn't have to pay with his life for his ignorant owner's idiocy. I feel it's one a very few decent uses of my obscenely high property taxes. Dog lover or not, they're like babies, or cattle, or horses. They depend on humans for their well being and to teach them and to kill unnecessarily, while not criminal, is pretty ******. To unnecessarily kill a domestic animal doesn't make one a badass, or self-reliant, or a country boy, or old fashioned, but rather just a prick, IMHO. I'd feel the same way if someone shot a loose cow or a loose horse. Unless necessary, it's ignorant and scummy.

And before anyone loses their mind. It's an internet disagreement. I really don't expect to convince a stranger to come over to my way of seeing things, but since I'm on this forum and forums are for posting, there's my opinion too.

 

[dieselcrawler]

KWRB:

The scenario I use is an aggressive canine actively chasing my farm animals or kids... I carry a pistol, and will shoot it on site, in the act. A friendly, simply stray lost animal, if not tagged with owner info on the collar, will be taking a trip with the county animal control agent. I'm not advocating cold hearted killing, just making it clear that I'm not going to tolerate trespassing with intent to harm.

I respect yours, and others, opinions. That's the great thing about our country, we can each have our own ideas, and yet be friends while we agree to disagree.

 

[TomSeller]

Yeah...but tough on the dog since I expect a good percentage wouldn't pay to get the pup back...so the dog pays the (perhaps ultimate) penalty for the owner's neglect/stupidity.

Right, there are a lot of dog owners that suck.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Yeah...but tough on the dog since I expect a good percentage wouldn't pay to get the pup back...so the dog pays the (perhaps ultimate) penalty for the owner's neglect/stupidity.

Kinder than shooting the dog, and the animal shelter will try to find a home for the animal if nobody claims it.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Do you not have a dogcatcher? Where I live, our taxes account for a part time salary for a town dogcatcher, specifically so a dog (which only knows as well as it's taught) doesn't have to pay with his life for his ignorant owner's idiocy. I feel it's one a very few decent uses of my obscenely high property taxes. Dog lover or not, they're like babies, or cattle, or horses. They depend on humans for their well being and to teach them and to kill unnecessarily, while not criminal, is pretty ******. To unnecessarily kill a domestic animal doesn't make one a badass, or self-reliant, or a country boy, or old fashioned, but rather just a prick, IMHO. I'd feel the same way if someone shot a loose cow or a loose horse. Unless necessary, it's ignorant and scummy.

And before anyone loses their mind. It's an internet disagreement. I really don't expect to convince a stranger to come over to my way of seeing things, but since I'm on this forum and forums are for posting, there's my opinion too.

My county has one full time animal control officer to cover 5,124 square miles, and dogs are not the only animal he deals with. He also gets the cougar and bear calls. People who dump their animals are not the problem. Their dogs will be lost and confused and will come to food. The problem is clowns who live in the country and neglect their dogs. They let them run loose and pack up. Most livestock owners will just make sure the dog is not a problem. They don't always shoot the dogs. Poison bait will control both domestic and wild dogs (coyotes). One of my neighbors has a donkey that killed a dog once that got into its pasture.

 

[95XL883]

I was in a position a couple of years ago where I could have legally shot a neighbor's pit. It was threatening me on my land. I was able to avoid a bite (or worse). Legally I could have shot it. (Although at the time I would have been bit if I had taken the time to go for my gun.) I talked with that owner, he started by housing the pit on days when I was on my ground. A few months ago, he put up a six foot welded wire fence and now contains all of his dogs. (He has five.) He and I are good enough friends and I'm glad to have him as a neighbor.

If my dog ever runs off or gets lost, I hope whoever finds it gives it a chance. My GSD is generally friendly to humans but does have a high prey drive and will chase other animals. She's a rescue who came to us as a frightened young dog but has grown into a very loving family member who would protect her people if necessary.

I understand there is a big difference between my Sammie and dogs that are allowed to run loose. i understand a farmer's/rancher's right to protect their livestock. In the case of a dog/dogs chasing livestock, there are just seconds to make a decision. Is it a lone animal with a big herding instinct? Or is it a pack intent on killing an animal? Do any of the dogs have collars and tags that indicate there is may be a responsible owner? I understand the need to protect one's livelihood. I just hope my Sammie is never in the position of someone not giving her a chance to live and me a chance to make restitution.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

If the dog gets euthanized with a .7mm needle, or a 7mm chunk of lead moving at 3000' fps, the net result is the same.

I admire Larry's thoughtfulness, and willingness to give the dog a chance at new life in a better home, should it get adopted... it's a little more humane than my methods. But I'm with Mark, three S system is quicker and cheaper. I'm on a tight budget. I may not be the most politically correct, but around here, it's what works.

What a small, little man you must be to shoot someone's pet because of a mistake. Glad I don't have neighbors like you.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

I was in a position a couple of years ago where I could have legally shot a neighbor's pit. It was threatening me on my land. I was able to avoid a bite (or worse). Legally I could have shot it. (Although at the time I would have been bit if I had taken the time to go for my gun.) I talked with that owner, he started by housing the pit on days when I was on my ground. A few months ago, he put up a six foot welded wire fence and now contains all of his dogs. (He has five.) He and I are good enough friends and I'm glad to have him as a neighbor.

If my dog ever runs off or gets lost, I hope whoever finds it gives it a chance. My GSD is generally friendly to humans but does have a high prey drive and will chase other animals. She's a rescue who came to us as a frightened young dog but has grown into a very loving family member who would protect her people if necessary.

I understand there is a big difference between my Sammie and dogs that are allowed to run loose. i understand a farmer's/rancher's right to protect their livestock. In the case of a dog/dogs chasing livestock, there are just seconds to make a decision. Is it a lone animal with a big herding instinct? Or is it a pack intent on killing an animal? Do any of the dogs have collars and tags that indicate there is may be a responsible owner? I understand the need to protect one's livelihood. I just hope my Sammie is never in the position of someone not giving her a chance to live and me a chance to make restitution.

:thumbsup: It's what a normal, stable, human being would do, help the animal.