Will some tractor makers not survive?

[AxleHub]

TYM uses second party engines in their tractors from Mitsu, yanmar, Duetz...... It is believed that TYM purchased Kukje Machinery so as to have the diesel engine (Cummins) from branson to be used in their tractors instead of purchasing the from a vendor.

But just a couple posts back 2 posters stated tym makes engines for Mahindra's mid category tractor sized units.

 

[MHarryE]

Machines, engines, pumps: US$205.8 billion (13.7% of total exports)
Electronic equipment: $169.8 billion (11.3%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $131.1 billion (8.7%)
Vehicles: $127.1 billion (8.4%)
Oil: $106.1 billion (7.1%)
Medical, technical equipment: $83.4 billion (5.5%)

Here is a list of USA exports by product group. Farm and construction equipment still falls into the top group. People who say our economy is bad do not have a good handle on the rest of the world. Products like Korean tractors - competing against American made Kubotas and Deeres. Right, Kubota American made - SCUTs, RTV, loaders, even major parts of their large tractors like the loaders. Ag prices have really tanked hurting the large ag market, but the small market is still booming with people like me, the boomer generation, retiring and buying stuff like tractors. Since I retired I have purchased 4 new tractors, a side-by-side, and a mini-excavator plus a lot of other equipment. I know a lot of others like me. Dealers say we are what keep them going during these hard times in the at market. This post is straying from the subject but my point is that the manufacturers who last are the ones who will produce (at least final assembly) here in North America. Deere has moved that way from outsourcing their small tractors. Kubota keeps growing their Georgia operations. Look for moves like this to determine who will last.

 

[AxleHub]

Georgia is an import base and final assembly point for Yanmar tractors and Massey and Kubota. Massey actually has their fel products and backhoe units manufactured in the US.

And Virtually all big name Japanese and Korean auto manufacturers have 1 or more manufacturing plants in the U.S..

However the numbers are quite clear that manufacturing as a percentage of our economy has continued to decline. And our economic recovery is fragile at best. We have had two poor quarters of weak jobs reports right when we should have had strength. As an example last month we created 156,000 jobs . . but we need just short of 128,000 new jobs EVERY month just from population growth alone.

 

[bbradford]

This is kind of off topic compared to the last few posts, but it goes with the thread.
What ever happened to Ford Tractors? If my memory is accurate, didn't they sell to Fiat or something and become New Holland? I grew up on Ford tractors and have always loved them, and a lot of the older New Holland models are exactly like the Fords. Although I overheard some older fellas talking a few days ago, and one guy was saying that LS was an off branch of Ford? I tried to do some research but all I found was a bunch of different views and opinions on the whole timeline so I thought maybe some of yall would know better?

 

[houstonscott]

Machines, engines, pumps: US$205.8 billion (13.7% of total exports) Electronic equipment: $169.8 billion (11.3%) Aircraft, spacecraft: $131.1 billion (8.7%) Vehicles: $127.1 billion (8.4%) Oil: $106.1 billion (7.1%) Medical, technical equipment: $83.4 billion (5.5%) Here is a list of USA exports by product group. Farm and construction equipment still falls into the top group. People who say our economy is bad do not have a good handle on the rest of the world. Products like Korean tractors - competing against American made Kubotas and Deeres. Right, Kubota American made - SCUTs, RTV, loaders, even major parts of their large tractors like the loaders. Ag prices have really tanked hurting the large ag market, but the small market is still booming with people like me, the boomer generation, retiring and buying stuff like tractors. Since I retired I have purchased 4 new tractors, a side-by-side, and a mini-excavator plus a lot of other equipment. I know a lot of others like me. Dealers say we are what keep them going during these hard times in the at market. This post is straying from the subject but my point is that the manufacturers who last are the ones who will produce (at least final assembly) here in North America. Deere has moved that way from outsourcing their small tractors. Kubota keeps growing their Georgia operations. Look for moves like this to determine who will last.

I think if you broke down that first category you'll find most of that is oil and gas equipment. HS

 

[JerryK]

Some of the Indian Mahindra's are old school [ International Harvester based ], but my 2011 Mahindra [ Mahindra tractor, Mahindra motor ] 5035 HST is a fine tractor. Mechanical injection pump and mechanically controlled HST. No electronics in it like the orange super-duper best in the world fancy dancy treadle equipped fly by wire units. Like my new 2016 Mahindra [ TYM tractor, Mahindra motor ] 2555 HST cab. She does not have one of those fine treadle pedals, but she is all fly by wire except steering. Not all of us that love our tractors have orange ones... in fact, some of us actually do not like the orange ones for various reasons.... [ gasp .... ]

 

[Ford850]

This is kind of off topic compared to the last few posts, but it goes with the thread.
What ever happened to Ford Tractors? If my memory is accurate, didn't they sell to Fiat or something and become New Holland? I grew up on Ford tractors and have always loved them, and a lot of the older New Holland models are exactly like the Fords. Although I overheard some older fellas talking a few days ago, and one guy was saying that LS was an off branch of Ford? I tried to do some research but all I found was a bunch of different views and opinions on the whole timeline so I thought maybe some of yall would know better?

Here's a very good Wiki article with the history and timelines of CNH, which includes Ford. CNH Global - Wikipedia

 

[MESSMAKER]

Here's a very good Wiki article with the history and timelines of CNH, which includes Ford. CNH Global - Wikipedia

My country was full of New Holland tractors and Case construction equipment. It was the most common by far. Massey Ferguson was probably second in tractors. Both brands are now just a shadow of their former self. I wonder what happened.

 

[bbradford]

Here's a very good Wiki article with the history and timelines of CNH, which includes Ford. CNH Global - Wikipedia

Thanks! that did clear up a few things!

 

[AxleHub]

The farm economy dramatically alters tractor/farm equipment makers. And over the ladt several decades we've witnessed roller coaster farm economy isdues of highs and lows. I think back to the esrly 1980s when it was unbelievably painful to farmets losing their farms in big numbers because of the crumbling farm financing/over levetaged times. In this area if the country there were huge auction on a regular basis whete farm equipment would be sold off for 30 or 50 farms or more at a time (a 100 or more acres of machinery at each auction).

Such times cause consolidation of name brands.

Currently corn is in the 3.50 range. Will we again see some farm sales ahead . . Cettsinly not like the early 80s but hard to imagine it would have some.

Each time equipment makers come out in varied names and combo situations.

Then its boom times . . then "bust" again.