Gear or Hydrostatic Transmissions for Compact Utility Tractors?

[k0ua]

I guess you have indoor plumbing because you're too lazy to walk outside to the outside.

Oh, Man!...:thumbsup:

 

[GManBart]

Just stop.

Stop what?

Are you going to tell 4570 he shouldn't mention plumbing?

When someone talks about a safety topic, i.e. driving with the loader up, and says something that could be considered poor advice, it's reasonable to point it out so folks who aren't so experienced might think twice. That goes regardless of thread topic. The whole "I'm on flat ground so I can ride around with the loader up safely" thing comes up pretty regularly, and it's poor advice. It won't change what some experienced folks do, but that's their decision...maybe they can afford to fix their tractor after they roll it.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Eric, I don't think it will do much good to point out the benefits of a Hydro to the hydro haters. Or for that matter the fact that in these larger tractors the hydro whine is near non existent for normal working conditions. It doesn't do any good to point out that hydro's are in many ways simpler than a gear drivetrain and its clutch or that the reliability is greater. It doesn't do any good to point out that that more and more and larger and larger industrial machines are being fitted with hydro systems.

And that is all fine. It just doesn't matter. There is plenty of room for both types of transmission systems and there are applications where one type of system excels over the other. I still maintain that for the average homeowner CUT/SCUT guy he will be better served by a hydro for most things.

And I maintain if you don't know what type of transmission you need because you have no experience to draw from, then you need a hydro by definition. But its all good guys.

The various construction equipment I've run has all been HST. I'm sure that it exists, but I've yet to use an excavator that is't HST and I don't think a modern skid or track loader exists that isn't HST.

That said the latest generation of button-controlled power shifts can look graceful when used by experienced operators. The question is how many hundreds of hours does a guy need to become effortlessly proficient?

 

[ishiboo]

The various construction equipment I've run has all been HST. I'm sure that it exists, but I've yet to use an excavator that is't HST and I don't think a modern skid or track loader exists that isn't HST.

That said the latest generation of button-controlled power shifts can look graceful when used by experienced operators. The question is how many hundreds of hours does a guy need to become effortlessly proficient?

Took me just a few minutes to pick up Kubota's glide shift on my L3650, and probably proficient in a few hours of use. I'd choose it in my Kioti any day versus unsynchronized ranges, difficulty getting into gear, etc. It all becomes second nature very quickly no matter what transmission you use if you've got the capability to learn, if not it's hard to beat hydrostatic training wheels that any idiot can use.

I think overall, unless you have a specific application you spend the majority of your time doing which benefits a specific transmission, the varied tasks most people do with their tractors means any of the available transmissions will be fine. They all have pros and cons.

 

[k0ua]

The various construction equipment I've run has all been HST. I'm sure that it exists, but I've yet to use an excavator that is't HST and I don't think a modern skid or track loader exists that isn't HST.

That said the latest generation of button-controlled power shifts can look graceful when used by experienced operators. The question is how many hundreds of hours does a guy need to become effortlessly proficient?

Jeez, you have to admit that guy is really good..

 

[DK35vince]

The various construction equipment I've run has all been HST.

Every commercial front end loader and backhoe I've ever run were torque converter power reversers.

 

[ovrszd]

Every commercial front end loader and backhoe I've ever run were torque converter power reversers.

Yep. A distant relative of HST, otherwise nothing alike.

 

[MossRoad]

One thing I learned a long time ago is you never argue about politics and religion...
On here it's hydro versus geared...

You forgot R1 VS R4 tires, too. :laughing:

 

[MossRoad]

The various construction equipment I've run has all been HST. I'm sure that it exists, but I've yet to use an excavator that is't HST and I don't think a modern skid or track loader exists that isn't HST.

That said the latest generation of button-controlled power shifts can look graceful when used by experienced operators. The question is how many hundreds of hours does a guy need to become effortlessly proficient?

Why didn't he just use the front bucket and push it in the trench, then level it out? Seems like a ridiculous amount of back and forth, back and forth, twist and turn, etc... granted, he was coordinated, but it seemed to take way too long VS just pushing it in the hole.

 

[MossRoad]

I guess it was the compaction part that he needed to do it in layers. Oh well.