Who has a mini van?

[clemsonfor]

T&C and Grand Caravan are badge engineering. Pacifica is the new model, and quite handsome. I believe all three have the same drive train: 4.0L V6 with 6 speed automatic.

So I guess were probably going to see the phase out of the T&C if the Pacifica sells well in the next few years?

 

[clemsonfor]

Wow, that Quest number is low. I also think Chrysler sells many to rental places. I don't ever recall seeing any Honda or Toyota vans for rent.

They don't buy the Toy or Honda as they cost more probably and would not make financial sense when they sell all during a warranty period and you can have a trouble free Kia or Chrysler in the same period.

 

[Garandman]

So I guess were probably going to see the phase out of the T&C if the Pacifica sells well in the next few years?

I'd think so, eventually old platform sales drop below what is economic to produce.

 

[dwhite]

I just bought a 2012 Sienna Limited AWD for 26K. My wife and I like it better than the 03 Odyssey it replaced. The Honda was a great van and very reliable. It suffered from road noise and age. Whichever you buy, I would recommend getting used with less than 50k miles. It's broken in and you save a ton over new.

 

[Lnk]

In 2014 I purchased a new Odyssey for 25K. Why are people paying so much? F/R ac, cruise/power everything. No video system or nav. You have to use the door handles but has backup camera, bluetooth etc. Why such high prices. Oh yeah, steel wheels and hubcaps...

 

[KubotainNH]

Someone mentioned the trade in on a 10 y/o Odyssey being low. For the fun of it I ran the trade-in on the top of the line 06 T&C with 125k on it. In excellent condition it was listed at 3k tops with an average of 2.5k. To give the T&C some help I picked a lower level EX (only one lower is LX) with the same year and mileage. It's trade-in is listed at 5k tops with the average at 4.2k. No dealer wants to give much for a 10 year old van.

 

[ultrarunner]

Pretty much except when you check what a base model 10 year old Corolla brings the retained percentage of value is very high in the SF Bay Area...

 

[KubotainNH]

Pretty much except when you check what a base model 10 year old Corolla brings the retained percentage of value is very high in the SF Bay Area...

That seems to be the case for Accords and Civics too, I bet Camry's are similar. The cars were reasonably priced to begin with and then hold some value. 4 to 6k seems to be what Hondas and Toyotas are worth (trade-in) at 10 years old with 130k, doesn't seem to matter a bunch which model. BTW, in my area the Accord and Civic max at 4.5k, similar Corolla is 3.5 with Camry at 4k. Those of course may or may not be real world numbers just trade-in estimates for my zipcode. I would enjoy driving any of them, the quality shows. My daughter's 99 Accord with 190k is still a pleasure to drive.

 

[ultrarunner]

Almost without exception the depreciation curve is steep for high end models...

Many that cannot afford new are ill equip to handle repairs when these vehicles age.

I've seen some top of the line BMW's scrapped simply because it cost too much to smog... here it is 1976 and newer and getting often California specific emission parts for a high end import that is 40 years old can be prohibitively expensive.

The reason I say almost... my boss bought a brand new Ford GT for 160k in 2006... totally enjoyed the car and put 4,500 miles on it... decided to sell and the first person bought it for 210K

 

[KubotainNH]

Yep, lots of good deals out there if you have the time and know how to fix small annoying issues. It amazes me how cheap Audis and Volvos are after 10 years. A nice AWD vehicle for cheap money.