LD1
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Wow. Little over on the truck axle, little over on the trailer axle, 430miles and across state lines.......more balls than I got. Curious to know how you would have "Explained" youself had you been stopped and weighed?
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Truck has a Farm Tag (licence plate in the rest of the world) and no trailer tag required in Oklahoma.
Never have been stopped in 60 years of pulling trailers, so I wouldn't know what to say.
LD1
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Farm tag makes a big difference.
No way would I want to cross state lines with both trailer axles and a truck axle overloaded up here. And heck, where I live up here, 430 miles is likely you will cross 2-3 state lines.
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I wasn't referring to the weight on the truck. I was referring to the truck's rated capacity + the truck's towing capacity. My 2000 F250 for example has a max truck capacity of 8,800 + max towing capacity of 14,500 = 23,300 GCVWR. Not sure what your truck's capacity is? Also, can't remember if you stated what your GCW was with that load?
confused8122
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Farm tags?
Not to change the subject, but state laws are different in every state. It's interesting to hear other people's ideas and warnings.
Here, as long as there is no commerce involved, (ie, Joe's paying my gas to help him move) I can drive anything I want. I could drive a big semi, and huge flatbed to move my tractor, with just a standard license. As soon as money is involved, I need a cdl.
Farm tags here, all say log farm. You get cheaper registration fees, in exchange you are only allowed to use the vehicle for farm business. And must be within 150 miles of the farm. Can't legally drive the truck to church Sundays, pick kids up from school, etc. And it automatically puts me in the money exchange limit ( see above)
Lots of people abuse this, but some don't. My neighbor did for years, then after to many stops, decided it was better to pay full for registration, and be able to say he is just hauling his personal tractor to his property...
Note:I am in Michigan, and not an expert on the law, but this is my understanding, after talking and researching.
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In MD I can go to 26,000 GCVW on standard class c license. 26001 I would need a class a. Any trailer over 10000 used for commercial purposes requires cdl.
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I dont know MI's law, but I highly doubt you can drive a 80k tractor trailer on a standard license, for personal use or not.
While personal use dont require a Commercial Drivers License.....in most states, they have non-commercial class A, B and C licenses.
While I dont know all of the laws and exemptions because they dont apply to me, there are several types of exemptions for Farm use in OH. It allows farmers to operate certain heavy equipment, OTR, without needing special licenses. But there are restrictions as to how far from the farm you can drive, and that whatever you are doing must be farm-type work. Like hauling farm equipment, or hauling grain to the mill, etc.
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Yep, it is in post #54 GCVW was 24,940. Online search shows max truck capacity of 9200, max towing capacity of 14,200 = 23,400, so I was over that by 1,540 pounds. The total trailer weight was 17,640 on a 14K trailer, if I did all the math right.
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confused8122
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In Michigan...
SOS - Who Needs a CDL?
At bottom of the page
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Exemptions
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The following*people do not need a CDL:
Active Duty Military*(including National Guard): With military licenses operating military vehicles.
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Police Officers and Firefighters: Meeting approved training standards and operating authorized emergency vehicles.
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Farmers: Operating vehicles within a 150 mile radius of their farm.
An F-endorsement is needed by farmers operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more. A knowledge test, but no skills test, is required to obtain the F-endorsement.
However, farmers who carry hazardous materials in amounts requiring placarding while operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, or a single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, need a CDL with a hazardous materials endorsement.
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Individuals: Operating motor homes or other vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members, for non-business purposes.
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For personal use, I can drive anything. But we don't have non commercial class license here. (some people talk about non cdl class a)
We have operator, chauffer, and cdl. I believe cdl has different classes.
SOS - Who Needs a CDL?
At bottom of the page
............
Exemptions
*
The following*people do not need a CDL:
Active Duty Military*(including National Guard): With military licenses operating military vehicles.
*
Police Officers and Firefighters: Meeting approved training standards and operating authorized emergency vehicles.
*
Farmers: Operating vehicles within a 150 mile radius of their farm.
An F-endorsement is needed by farmers operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more. A knowledge test, but no skills test, is required to obtain the F-endorsement.
However, farmers who carry hazardous materials in amounts requiring placarding while operating combination vehicles whose towing vehicle has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, or a single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more, need a CDL with a hazardous materials endorsement.
*
Individuals: Operating motor homes or other vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members, for non-business purposes.
..............
For personal use, I can drive anything. But we don't have non commercial class license here. (some people talk about non cdl class a)
We have operator, chauffer, and cdl. I believe cdl has different classes.
LD1
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Do you have an F-endorsement and using equipment for farm purposes?
If not, I would not be driving a 18-wheeler for personal use just-because. If you have one for personal use and no farm exemption......it is possible that you need a class A license.
Earlier you said nothing about farm use. Just that if you wanted to tow your tractor with a big semi and flat bed, that you dont need a CDL if you arent working for hire.
That may very well be correct. But it also doesnt mean that a standard class D license is all you need either.
If not, I would not be driving a 18-wheeler for personal use just-because. If you have one for personal use and no farm exemption......it is possible that you need a class A license.
Earlier you said nothing about farm use. Just that if you wanted to tow your tractor with a big semi and flat bed, that you dont need a CDL if you arent working for hire.
That may very well be correct. But it also doesnt mean that a standard class D license is all you need either.
